I'm new to Angel, but wtf?

[DanMcS]

if i'm not mistaken, tara was put in the credits, taken back out and then put it again as a cruel tease when they killed her off.

You are mistaken. She was never a "starring" credit in the opening bit until her final episode. And while the rabid tara/willow fans on usenet took this as a cruel snipe at them (why? No one is sure, it's the nature of usenet to be full of kooks), Whedon and the writers at the time said that Amber wanted off the show anyway, and they put her in the credits that episode as a goodbye nod to an actress who had been a strong part of the cast for a couple seasons and was a good friend to all of them. And people die on Buffy all the time.

And lest anyone think I'm exaggerating when I say kooks, you can't call it 'nam unless you been there, man. Around the time of the end of season 6, the buffy groups on usenet were flooded beyond usability with people completely distraught over the death of a fictional character. Some people were staying home from work to weep and wallow in their grief. They detested Whedon and the writers for killing off one of the two stars of the show (Willow was the other, apparently, the name of the series notwithstanding). Mutant Enemy was decried as homophobic, and a lot more filthy things, for killing off a gay character. Never mind that the average lifespan of ANY character on buffy is around 7 episodes, and that's only because Buffy, Xander, Willow, and Giles drag the average way up It was truly bizzare.

 

[Pielorinho]

Joss is homophobic because he killed off a lesbian? Geez, I'd hate to know what he thinks about mothers and kittens.

Daniel

 

[takyris]

The same people then went on to declare that Whedon was trivializing gay relationships by having Willow start up with the New Girl in Season 7.

When in fact, Joss had originally intended to bring Tara back to life through a really powerful love-story arc, but Amber Benson couldn't make it work with her schedule, so it ended up being a choice between a) Willow the Widow, Never Dating Again and b) Willow moving on with her life in a realistic, tender way. Joss went for the second one, and took a bunch of flak for it. I thought it was nice.

 

[DanMcS]

Joss is homophobic because he killed off a lesbian? Geez, I'd hate to know what he thinks about mothers and kittens.

Did any of the kittens in that show actually die? There was a bit of reference to kitten poker... "And by the way, kittens are stupid currency." "But they're delicious." None of them ever actually were eaten though.

And then there was the end of season 7, when Dawn said she didn't play with crossbows anymore after what happened to Miss Kitty Fantastico. Which is a fairly gruesome reference, even as a throwaway. Not Boondock Saints cat gruesome, but still.

 

[Welverin]

Not Boondock Saints cat gruesome, but still.

Does cat gruesome get any worse than that?

 

[Pielorinho]

Did any of the kittens in that show actually die? There was a bit of reference to kitten poker... "And by the way, kittens are stupid currency." "But they're delicious." None of them ever actually were eaten though.

There's only two ways to find out that kittens are delicious:
1) Eat them, thereby kiling them.
2) Eat parts of them while leaving them alive ("A cat that good....").

If no kittens died, then the alternative is even more disturbing, proving even further that Joss Whedon is a despicable kitty-hater.

Daniel
channeling usenet kooks

 

[Nightfall]

Dude that was the best PART of the movie!

 

[Welverin]

The fact that it's incredibly funny doesn't negate the gruesomeness.

 

[Nightfall]

True but come on!

 

[Enforcer]

"The only good cat is a stir-fried cat"

--Alf (who knew what to do about the Cat Problem)