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D&D 4E I'm not gonna do 4E

MerricB said:
I'm not so sure about that. Making the editions *too* different causes people to stop buying 4e altogether, which is also bad for the overall health of the product line.

If 4e is clearly superior to 3e, then it can work (see 2e->3e)..
Cheers!

The reason 3e did so well is 'sales' terms is that it wasn't backward compatable, 'conversion guides' not withstanding.

I'm with PC, there will be significant changes that invalidate 3.x when 4e does finally appear. To be honest I expecting a significant mechanic change somewhere and not just the 'tweaking' that saga has (yes I consider most of those changes tweaks that are easy to implement in 3.x)
 

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Warbringer said:
The reason 3e did so well is 'sales' terms is that it wasn't backward compatable, 'conversion guides' not withstanding.

No.

A new edition does not automatically bring with it extra sales if it isn't backwards compatable. The new edition must be superior enough to the old edition to make people want to abandon their new books.

Cheers!
 

It all depends. I'll do 4E if it's either a) close enough to 3E for familiarity, crunchiness, and playstyle (the good parts of 3E's way that is), yet different enough and improved sufficiently to be worthy of the investment, or b) a cool enough revision and upgrade of the degree that 3E was from 2E, yet retaining enough D&Disms (as 3E did) to still be familiar and worthwhile, rather than a total replacement that's only superficially like D&D.

I don't want a Castles & Crusades or True20 rip-off, and I don't want a GURPS, HERO, or Mutants & Masterminds rip-off. I don't want a D20 Modern rip-off either, even though it's WotC's own property. I'd also rather not see D&D become a miniatures game or computer game that just happens to be supported by roleplaying products and brand recognition. I don't know if I want miniatures to be as important to combat in D&D 4E as they are in 3.5E, but I certainly don't want them to become even more important or the entire focus of the game.


I could live with my 3.0 materials, my houserules, my homebrew settings, and the few 3.5 books I'm willing to buy (ToB:Bo9S, maybe a little else), and never buy another D&D product after this year. Not even a novel. 3E is crunchy enough and decent enough for me to tinker with and play/DM under for quite a long time.

Only exception: Since it's apparent that WotC has no love for old campaign settings except Forgotten Realms (GH only gets an illusion of loving attention), I would be willing to buy a later book (assuming the company eventually realizes the error of their ways) of Kara-Tur, Dark Sun, Planescape, Greyhawk, Al-Qadim, Spelljammer, or Birthright setting material and such, if not too horribly mangled in events/world changes, just for the sole purpose of cannibalizing for my 3E campaigns. And, well, to see if anyone else would be willing to run a 3E campaign set in one of those places, heh.


*note to self: begin devising plans for a thought-reprogramming device to eventually convert 3.5ers and 4ers to the rightful love of 3.0*
 

Doctor DM said:
I'm really happy with 3.5, I have a ton of money invested in it, and have been playing it for a long time. I don't care about 4E. I'm sure it will be awesome and really cool, but I don't think I'm going to spend 100 + dollars on it when I already have a great game.

Anyone else with me?
NEVER! I live to consume!
 


Arkhandus said:
Only exception: Since it's apparent that WotC has no love for old campaign settings except Forgotten Realms (GH only gets an illusion of loving attention), I would be willing to buy a later book (assuming the company eventually realizes the error of their ways) of Kara-Tur, Dark Sun, Planescape, Greyhawk, Al-Qadim, Spelljammer, or Birthright setting material and such, if not too horribly mangled in events/world changes, just for the sole purpose of cannibalizing for my 3E campaigns.

I agree with this viewpoint. This is about the ONLY way I see myself buying 4E.

I have hundred of 3.x books from WOTC, Malhavoc, Paizo, Necromancer Games, Green Ronin, and many others. I have all the crunch, flavor, settings, and more that I will be able to use between now and when they pull my dead clenches fist away from my dice. :)

Sakkara
 


hong said:
I'm reminded of how White Wolf made the Exalted 1E rulebook available as a free pdf, just months before Exalted 2E was announced....

Exactly! WotC's actions give me that same feeling that WW's did just before the announcement of Ex 2E.
 


You know... I said the same thing about 2e and 3e but I ended up buying and playing them anyway. I guess it is the collector in me. :)

At the very least I'll probably pick up the minimum needed to play. The only reason I see to buy 4e is so that I can play in the event that I can't find a group willing to play 3.XE. I still love 1e and 2e but I find it is almost impossible to find groups that play it anymore.
 

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