Cool...ok...idea
Plant based fey on par with Eladrin, yet as comely as nymphs.
Plant based fey on par with Eladrin, yet as comely as nymphs.
Immortals Handbook - Epic Bestiary (Epic Monster Discussion)
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AdmundfortGeographer
Getting lost in fantasy maps
Yes, please.Upper_Krust said:
Agreed. I'll watch closely, and maybe contribute an idea or few here and there. The fact that "post-scarcity reality" accurately describes the postulated civilization before the apocalyptic event that led to the world of my D&D game becoming the primitive place it now is, just means I do some semi-regular thinking on this kind of subject anyway.historian said:
I catch some tongue-in-cheek overtones but I think that is a really good idea Anabstercorian.
Probably needs fleshing out but you have my interest . . . . .
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi dante mate! 
Well, firstly, if you ask me Eladrins ARE Fey (and vice versa).
But it seems what you are after is some sort of Dryad-Nymph crossbreed that happens to be an Eladrin Outsider.
One idea could be that the Eladrin wears a garment of leaves (or maybe its hair), so you don't get the save vs. death looking at her until 'she' undresses. However, these leaves are also razor sharp and can act as a swarm of sorts (providing a means of attack and natural cover). Perhaps its a symbiote Eladrin-Swarm? One other aspect could be seasonal based powers. Perhaps when the Eladrin strikes you in melee you must save or be polymorphed into a tree. Even if you make the save you could be rooted to the spot for that round?
So lets look at what our brainstorming turned up.
1. Its an Eladrin-Swarm symbiote or possibly just controls leaves like a swarm that provides cover as well as damaging foes within range (poignant). In fact I just checked the Eladrin entry in the MM and it appears they all have an Alternate Form, so the alternate form could be a 'swarm' of leaves.
2. It may have seasonal based powers/spell-like abilities. (poignant).
3. When it strikes in melee you could be polymorphed into a tree (poignant) and are rooted to the spot for all of the next round (poignant and unique?). Or we could change this to a Gaze weapon (given that we will be adding a weapon below).
4. Eladrin all seem to wield weapons. I think a staff would be most apropos in this case. Typically they seem to be Holy. I suppose other abilities may depend on how powerful we make the Eladrin. Perhaps it could wield a staff of the woodlands? If so, that tells us the Eladrin would be roughly ECL 18. Although it would only have one item so we would reduce that to ECL 13 (2/3 + 1/12th per artifact), which is CR 8. That fits in somewhere between Bralani and Ghaele, so I would suggest using perhaps 8 Hit Dice.
dante58701 said:
Well, firstly, if you ask me Eladrins ARE Fey (and vice versa).
But it seems what you are after is some sort of Dryad-Nymph crossbreed that happens to be an Eladrin Outsider.
One idea could be that the Eladrin wears a garment of leaves (or maybe its hair), so you don't get the save vs. death looking at her until 'she' undresses. However, these leaves are also razor sharp and can act as a swarm of sorts (providing a means of attack and natural cover). Perhaps its a symbiote Eladrin-Swarm? One other aspect could be seasonal based powers. Perhaps when the Eladrin strikes you in melee you must save or be polymorphed into a tree. Even if you make the save you could be rooted to the spot for that round?
So lets look at what our brainstorming turned up.
1. Its an Eladrin-Swarm symbiote or possibly just controls leaves like a swarm that provides cover as well as damaging foes within range (poignant). In fact I just checked the Eladrin entry in the MM and it appears they all have an Alternate Form, so the alternate form could be a 'swarm' of leaves.
2. It may have seasonal based powers/spell-like abilities. (poignant).
3. When it strikes in melee you could be polymorphed into a tree (poignant) and are rooted to the spot for all of the next round (poignant and unique?). Or we could change this to a Gaze weapon (given that we will be adding a weapon below).
4. Eladrin all seem to wield weapons. I think a staff would be most apropos in this case. Typically they seem to be Holy. I suppose other abilities may depend on how powerful we make the Eladrin. Perhaps it could wield a staff of the woodlands? If so, that tells us the Eladrin would be roughly ECL 18. Although it would only have one item so we would reduce that to ECL 13 (2/3 + 1/12th per artifact), which is CR 8. That fits in somewhere between Bralani and Ghaele, so I would suggest using perhaps 8 Hit Dice.
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi Eric mate!
Didn't someone do a Monsters Handbook?
I never saw it but I think they even had their own method of how to break down Challenge Rating.
Eric Anondson said:
Didn't someone do a Monsters Handbook?
I never saw it but I think they even had their own method of how to break down Challenge Rating.
Anabstercorian
First Post
historian said:
I catch some tongue-in-cheek overtones but I think that is a really good idea Anabstercorian.
Probably needs fleshing out but you have my interest . . . . .
They'd probably need a hierarchy, like the demons or angels, for them to be interesting.
CRGreathouse
Community Supporter
Fieari said:
No Wisdom = object per the rules. Even inteligent weapons, unfeeling constructs, and zombies have Wis.
Beginnings of an idea
Asteroth, Yugoloth General
Medium Outsider (Evil, Extraplanar)
Hit Dice: 18d8+126 (207 hp)
Initiative: +14
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), fly 40 ft. (perfect), swim 40 ft.
Armor Class: 38 (+10 Dex, +18 natural, +9 profane), touch 28, flat-footed 28
Base Attack/Grapple: +18/+22
Attack: Searing touch +22 (2d6 vile fire) or +3 unholy longsword +25 melee (1d8+7/19-20 plus 2d6 unholy)
Full Attack: Searing touch +22/+17/+12/+7 melee (2d6 vile fire) or +3 unholy longsword +25/+20/+15/+10 melee (1d8+7/19-20 plus 2d6 unholy)
Space/Reach: 5ft./5ft.
Special Attacks: Disease, fear aura, poison, spell-like abilities, summon yugoloths, weakness gaze
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 5/good and silver, darkvision 240 ft., fast healing 5, immunity to acid, fire, and poison, profane aura, regeneration 5, resistance to cold 5 and electricity 5, see in darkness, spell resistance 28, telepathy 100 ft., true seeing
Saves: Fort +18, Ref +21, Will +20
Abilities: Str 29, Dex 31, Con 25, Int 28, Wis 28, Cha 28
Skills: Balance +, Bluff +, Climb +, Concentration +, Diplomacy +, Disguise + (+2 acting), Escape Artist +, Hide +, Intimidate +, Jump +, Knowledge (arcana) +, Knowledge (nature) +, Knowledge (the planes) +, Knowledge (religion) +, Listen +, Move Silently +, Search +, Sense Motive +, Spot +, Spellcraft + (+2 when deciphering scrolls), Survival + (+2 on other planes, +2 when tracking), Tumble +, Use Magic Device + (+2 when using scrolls)
Feats: Combat Expertise, Dark Speech, Dodge, Empower Spell-like Ability (fireball), Improved Initiative, Quicken Spell-like Ability (fireball), Violate Spell-Like Ability (wall of fire)
Environment: Bleak Eternity of Gehenna
Organization: Solitary, pair, or squad (1-2 ultroloths, 1-3 nycaloths, 2-5 piscoloths, and 2-5 mezzoloths)
Challenge Rating: 20
Treasure: Standard coins; double goods; standard items plus +3 unholy longsword
Alignment: Always neutral evil
Advancement: 19-36 HD (Medium); 37-54 (Large)
Before you stands a tall, powerful creature with luminous white skin and a pair of eyes that swirl with color. In it's presence you can feel the raw, malevolent power emanating from it.
Asteroth is a generals of the yugoloth armies. He leads his troops and disrupt enemy plans, all while scheming amongst against the other yugoloth generals.
Asteroth is around 7 feet tall and weigh about 180 pounds.
Combat
Asteroth usually tries to stay out of melee and hammers his foes with his spell-like abilities. If forced into melee, Asteroth will only rarely fall back on its +3 unholy longsword as most of the time it will teleport away to safety.
Asteroth’s natural weapons, as well as any weapons he wields, are treated as evil-aligned for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Disease (Su): A creature struck by Asteroth’s longsword must succeed on a DC 27 Fortitude save or be infected with a vile disease known as devil chills (incubation period 1d4 days, damage 1d4 Str). The save DC is Constitution-based.
Fear Aura (Su): Asteroth can radiate a 15 ft. radius fear aura as a free action. Affected creatures must succeed on a DC 28 Will save or be affected as though by a fear spell (caster level 18th). A creature that successfully saves cannot be affected again by Asteroth’s fear aura for 24 hours. Other yugoloths are not immune to this aura. The save DC is Charisma based.
Poison (Ex): Injury, Fortitude DC 27, initial damage 1d6 Con, secondary damage death. The save DC is Constitution-based.
Profane Aura (Su): Asteroth is constantly surrounded by an aura of ineffable evil, granting it a +9 profane bonus to its armor class. Asteroth can resume or suppress this ability as a free action on its turn.
Regeneration (Ex): Asteroth takes normal damage from good-aligned silvered weapons, and from spells or effects with the good descriptor.
Spell-Like Abilities: At will - air walk, alter self, animate dead, animate object, binding, blasphemy, call lightning, charm person, contagion, control winds, create undead, deeper darkness, desecrate, detect chaos, detect evil (always active), detect good (always active), detect law (always active), detect invisibility (always active), detect lie (always active), detect magic (always active), detect poison (always active), detect scrying (always active), detect thoughts (always active), dispel good, dominate monster, enervation, fear, feeblemind, fireball, geas/quest, greater dispel magic, greater invisibility, greater scrying, greater teleport (self plus 50 pounds of objects only), invisibility, major image, magic circle against good, mass hold monster, minor image, passwall, pass without trace (always active), persistent image, polymorph (self only), power word stun, produce flame, pyrotechnics, read magic (always active), shout, solid fog, suggestion, unholy aura, unholy blight, wall of fire; 7/day - color spray; 3/day - disintegrate, geas/quest, mass suggestion, unholy aura; 1/day - destruction, fire storm, horrid wilting, meteor swarm, symbol (any). Caster level 18th. The save DC’s are Charisma based.
Once per year Asteroth can use wish as the spell (caster level 18th).
Summon Yugoloths (Sp): Once per day Asteroth can automatically summon 2d8 skereloths, 1d6 mezzoloths, or 1 shadoloth, or nycaloth. This ability is the equivalent of a 9thlevel spell.
True Seeing (Su): Asteroth has a continuous true seeing ability, as the spell (caster level 18th).
Weakness Gaze (Su): Range 60 ft., Fort DC 28 negates. Asteroth can sap the very strength from an opponent’s body merely by looking at them. Those who fail their saves take 1d4 points of Strength and Dexterity damage. A creature that successfully saves cannot be affected again by Asteroth’s weakness gaze for 24 hours. The save DC is Charisma based.
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Asteroth, Yugoloth General
Medium Outsider (Evil, Extraplanar)
Hit Dice: 18d8+126 (207 hp)
Initiative: +14
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares), fly 40 ft. (perfect), swim 40 ft.
Armor Class: 38 (+10 Dex, +18 natural, +9 profane), touch 28, flat-footed 28
Base Attack/Grapple: +18/+22
Attack: Searing touch +22 (2d6 vile fire) or +3 unholy longsword +25 melee (1d8+7/19-20 plus 2d6 unholy)
Full Attack: Searing touch +22/+17/+12/+7 melee (2d6 vile fire) or +3 unholy longsword +25/+20/+15/+10 melee (1d8+7/19-20 plus 2d6 unholy)
Space/Reach: 5ft./5ft.
Special Attacks: Disease, fear aura, poison, spell-like abilities, summon yugoloths, weakness gaze
Special Qualities: Damage reduction 5/good and silver, darkvision 240 ft., fast healing 5, immunity to acid, fire, and poison, profane aura, regeneration 5, resistance to cold 5 and electricity 5, see in darkness, spell resistance 28, telepathy 100 ft., true seeing
Saves: Fort +18, Ref +21, Will +20
Abilities: Str 29, Dex 31, Con 25, Int 28, Wis 28, Cha 28
Skills: Balance +, Bluff +, Climb +, Concentration +, Diplomacy +, Disguise + (+2 acting), Escape Artist +, Hide +, Intimidate +, Jump +, Knowledge (arcana) +, Knowledge (nature) +, Knowledge (the planes) +, Knowledge (religion) +, Listen +, Move Silently +, Search +, Sense Motive +, Spot +, Spellcraft + (+2 when deciphering scrolls), Survival + (+2 on other planes, +2 when tracking), Tumble +, Use Magic Device + (+2 when using scrolls)
Feats: Combat Expertise, Dark Speech, Dodge, Empower Spell-like Ability (fireball), Improved Initiative, Quicken Spell-like Ability (fireball), Violate Spell-Like Ability (wall of fire)
Environment: Bleak Eternity of Gehenna
Organization: Solitary, pair, or squad (1-2 ultroloths, 1-3 nycaloths, 2-5 piscoloths, and 2-5 mezzoloths)
Challenge Rating: 20
Treasure: Standard coins; double goods; standard items plus +3 unholy longsword
Alignment: Always neutral evil
Advancement: 19-36 HD (Medium); 37-54 (Large)
Before you stands a tall, powerful creature with luminous white skin and a pair of eyes that swirl with color. In it's presence you can feel the raw, malevolent power emanating from it.
Asteroth is a generals of the yugoloth armies. He leads his troops and disrupt enemy plans, all while scheming amongst against the other yugoloth generals.
Asteroth is around 7 feet tall and weigh about 180 pounds.
Combat
Asteroth usually tries to stay out of melee and hammers his foes with his spell-like abilities. If forced into melee, Asteroth will only rarely fall back on its +3 unholy longsword as most of the time it will teleport away to safety.
Asteroth’s natural weapons, as well as any weapons he wields, are treated as evil-aligned for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Disease (Su): A creature struck by Asteroth’s longsword must succeed on a DC 27 Fortitude save or be infected with a vile disease known as devil chills (incubation period 1d4 days, damage 1d4 Str). The save DC is Constitution-based.
Fear Aura (Su): Asteroth can radiate a 15 ft. radius fear aura as a free action. Affected creatures must succeed on a DC 28 Will save or be affected as though by a fear spell (caster level 18th). A creature that successfully saves cannot be affected again by Asteroth’s fear aura for 24 hours. Other yugoloths are not immune to this aura. The save DC is Charisma based.
Poison (Ex): Injury, Fortitude DC 27, initial damage 1d6 Con, secondary damage death. The save DC is Constitution-based.
Profane Aura (Su): Asteroth is constantly surrounded by an aura of ineffable evil, granting it a +9 profane bonus to its armor class. Asteroth can resume or suppress this ability as a free action on its turn.
Regeneration (Ex): Asteroth takes normal damage from good-aligned silvered weapons, and from spells or effects with the good descriptor.
Spell-Like Abilities: At will - air walk, alter self, animate dead, animate object, binding, blasphemy, call lightning, charm person, contagion, control winds, create undead, deeper darkness, desecrate, detect chaos, detect evil (always active), detect good (always active), detect law (always active), detect invisibility (always active), detect lie (always active), detect magic (always active), detect poison (always active), detect scrying (always active), detect thoughts (always active), dispel good, dominate monster, enervation, fear, feeblemind, fireball, geas/quest, greater dispel magic, greater invisibility, greater scrying, greater teleport (self plus 50 pounds of objects only), invisibility, major image, magic circle against good, mass hold monster, minor image, passwall, pass without trace (always active), persistent image, polymorph (self only), power word stun, produce flame, pyrotechnics, read magic (always active), shout, solid fog, suggestion, unholy aura, unholy blight, wall of fire; 7/day - color spray; 3/day - disintegrate, geas/quest, mass suggestion, unholy aura; 1/day - destruction, fire storm, horrid wilting, meteor swarm, symbol (any). Caster level 18th. The save DC’s are Charisma based.
Once per year Asteroth can use wish as the spell (caster level 18th).
Summon Yugoloths (Sp): Once per day Asteroth can automatically summon 2d8 skereloths, 1d6 mezzoloths, or 1 shadoloth, or nycaloth. This ability is the equivalent of a 9thlevel spell.
True Seeing (Su): Asteroth has a continuous true seeing ability, as the spell (caster level 18th).
Weakness Gaze (Su): Range 60 ft., Fort DC 28 negates. Asteroth can sap the very strength from an opponent’s body merely by looking at them. Those who fail their saves take 1d4 points of Strength and Dexterity damage. A creature that successfully saves cannot be affected again by Asteroth’s weakness gaze for 24 hours. The save DC is Charisma based.
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Upper_Krust
Legend
Hey dante mate!
Your last post must have slipped under my radar when I was having the computer virus trouble at the weekend.
I'll reply in full to it tomorrow, but I am a bit busy with the update tonight as I am sure you can imagine.
Okay, I have looked over your Ultroloth General. A few things of note.
Firstly he has far too many Spell-like abilities.
Secondly, why does he have a Poison special ability?
Thirdly, his damage reduction is too weak.
If searing touch is a touch attack then he would only get one per round.
Its ability scores are too high for a mere hero-deity. I know the Balor and the Pit Fiend have ridiculous scores in 3.5. But two wrongs don't make a right. A hero-deity should have an average score of about 18 (before size mods and hit die bonuses). The 3.5 Pit Fiend is on average 7 points too high, the Balor 6 points too high and your Ultroloth General is about 9 points too high per score. The official MMIII Ultroloth is about 3 points per score too low.
I like what you did with the sword although I would probably go even further and make it +5 bane (random), unholy longsword.
Your last post must have slipped under my radar when I was having the computer virus trouble at the weekend.
I'll reply in full to it tomorrow, but I am a bit busy with the update tonight as I am sure you can imagine.
Okay, I have looked over your Ultroloth General. A few things of note.
Firstly he has far too many Spell-like abilities.
Secondly, why does he have a Poison special ability?
Thirdly, his damage reduction is too weak.
If searing touch is a touch attack then he would only get one per round.
Its ability scores are too high for a mere hero-deity. I know the Balor and the Pit Fiend have ridiculous scores in 3.5. But two wrongs don't make a right. A hero-deity should have an average score of about 18 (before size mods and hit die bonuses). The 3.5 Pit Fiend is on average 7 points too high, the Balor 6 points too high and your Ultroloth General is about 9 points too high per score. The official MMIII Ultroloth is about 3 points per score too low.
I like what you did with the sword although I would probably go even further and make it +5 bane (random), unholy longsword.
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