immortals handbook

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Upper Krust!

Hi Melkor mate!

I am curious concerning your epic spellcasting system. I assume it is based upon this very interesting spell seeds mechanic yet more balanced? It seems to me that epic level spellcaster can do much more damage using metamagic than epic spells.

There are a few teething problems (nothing I'm sure I can't handle of course) but the system is akin to an amalgamation of metamagic ideas and epic factor ideas.

Its very, very simple.

By the way, do you think that it would be suitable for non-epic spellcasters to get access to epic magic through costly rituals?

Through my system yes - in fact I am counting on it, I have tied my sacrifice rules into it.

Whereas the epic spells are often simply more powerful standard spells; what I try to do is give you the lowest common denominator with epic ideas then let you take that to whatever level you want.

I am toying with the idea of doing a second version of each spell. The first is the lowest common denominator, the second would be some extravagant example used by a deity.

I am also interested if you have any Void-like beings ala Blackballs from ELH. I can imagine Void Golems or mighty Void Dragons with anhilating breath as very cool epic monsters.

I have Unelementals which are like Blackballs given form, but like I mentioned on a previous post I thought the Disintegrate Touch of the Blackballs was a bit pathetic. Suffice to say I have 'upped the ante' for what happens when you encounter them.

I am sure I couldn't possibly comment as to whether one of the ten dragons in the IH has that same power as a breath weapon.

What a pity that my group is only 23rd level and they are moving very slowly, half the sessions playing their lower level followers to do more fighting, since the actual characters are mostly roleplaying and occasional "boss" battles,

Even cohorts have their roll. Thats the good thing about the IH it advocates you roleplay as the cohorts/worshippers/servants as well. So you get the full spectrum of gaming - not just the 'wham, bam thank you mam' epic/immortal level stuff.

for there not many beings able to challenge them.

Just you wait, we will have your players challenged (and then some) very shortly.

 

[Bjorn Doneerson]

Oh Krustiferous one! I ask you answer my questions three....um...yeah.

1. How easy is it to stat out divine beings with your system?

2. With the list of things people have asked you to stat it seems as though you could use your system for superheroics. Would this be an accurate assumption?

3. Do you need anything else on your to-do list of beings, cause I was thinking maybe Darkseid, and The Monkey King would be nice additions if not completely unrelated. I feel weird putting them in the same sentence....

Also, I've been meaning to say (since forever) that Anabstercorian has the coolest sig line ever.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Bjorn mate!

Oh Krustiferous one! I ask you answer my questions three....um...yeah.

Fire away.

1. How easy is it to stat out divine beings with your system?

Its pretty simple, though it depends on how much detail you want to go into I suppose.

Lets say you wanted to create a Lesser God.

1. You look up the typical Hit Dice/Levels (roll if you want to decide randomly).
2. Create the character the exact same way you would any other character.
3. Apply Lesser God Template.
4. Decide on Portfolios (or again roll randomly) and apply those Templates.
5. Decide on Divine Gifts (or again you have the option of rolling randomly).

That will get you the God itself.

Then you have other options for creating servitors etc.

2. With the list of things people have asked you to stat it seems as though you could use your system for superheroics. Would this be an accurate assumption?

Comics have certainly inspired a few of the elements in the book.

I definately think Portfolios will be interesting when applied to Non-Divine beings. Thats like 46 new monster Templates right there.

So within your Ice Deities realm all the animals, fauna and natives might have the Winter Portfolio.

Similarly the idea could be used to flesh out super-hero stereotypes.

3. Do you need anything else on your to-do list of beings, cause I was thinking maybe Darkseid, and The Monkey King would be nice additions if not completely unrelated. I feel weird putting them in the same sentence....

I see the relationship between Darkseid and Superman akin to that between Thanos and Thor. The Omega Blast is certainly 'Divine' based energy.

The Monkey King is a weird one and certainly one of those mythological characters wherein you have to seperate the fiction from the grossly exaggerated fiction.

 

[historian]

Krust, I couldn't resist writing out the CR for your high-end Supernal, 80 quindecillion.

80 quindecillion, according to my sources, would be:

80,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Of course, I'm using the "American" version of quindecillion, the "British" version is a good bit larger.



BTW - I'm guesstimating that Galactus in "his" typical incarnation would fall in the CR 750-1500 range, short of the CR 3250 that would be the minimum qualification for :standing a chance" against IG-Thanos. I would rate Eternity as materially more powerful, but I'm not sure "it" would break CR 3250.

Looking forward to further posting on this and other IH topics.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi historian mate!

Krust, I couldn't resist writing out the CR for your high-end Supernal, 80 quindecillion.

80 quindecillion, according to my sources, would be:

80,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Of course, I'm using the "American" version of quindecillion, the "British" version is a good bit larger.

I was indeed using the American version of the term; I think its less confusing (even if it makes less sense from a mathmatical standpoint, given the derivation of the actual terminology).

BTW - I'm guesstimating that Galactus in "his" typical incarnation would fall in the CR 750-1500 range, short of the CR 3250 that would be the minimum qualification for :standing a chance" against IG-Thanos. I would rate Eternity as materially more powerful, but I'm not sure "it" would break CR 3250.

I have given the Marvel cosmology a lot of study (even if the material on such cosmic megapowers is often inconclusive and vague).

On the one hand there is a case for Galactus at about CR 300 (upper end Elder God); on another there is a case for him at about CR 1000 (very low end Time Lord).

However, if we parallel Odins D&D stats with Odins Marvel Superheroes RPG stats we see that he is not far below Galactus in terms of power. Therefore the only solid evidence is that we adopt the lesser of the two incarnations of Galactus - circa CR 300.

By the same reasoning Eternity would be approximately CR 600.

However I doubt that really paints the true picture.

Looking forward to further posting on this and other IH topics.

Hey, thats what I'm here for...and apologies all round that I haven't sorted this whole website issue yet; I sometimes feel I have too much on my plate and its difficult to decide what to eat first.

 

[Necropolis]

Hi UK
something new with your website ? there is a date when it will go live ?

you said that you will release the immortal handbook when the srd for the epic level will be out but if it won't ?
becuse you know wizards of the coast this could take years or maybe months

 

[Paragon]

However, if we parallel Odins D&D stats with Odins Marvel Superheroes RPG stats we see that he is not far below Galactus in terms of power. Therefore the only solid evidence is that we adopt the lesser of the two incarnations of Galactus - circa CR 300.

By the same reasoning Eternity would be approximately CR 600.

However I doubt that really paints the true picture.

Granted Odin is powerful and all but Galacticus and Eternity are 2 of the 3 primordial forces of the Universe, as seen in an issue of Silver Surfer where Galacticus and Eternity meet and talk one taking the form of star and i can't remember what form the other took but their disscussion lead me to believe there was much more to galacticus than met the eye.

Paragon

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi UK

Hi Necropolis mate!

something new with your website ? there is a date when it will go live ?

It'll be done when its done, I don't really want to volunteer more information than that at this point.

you said that you will release the immortal handbook when the srd for the epic level will be out but if it won't ?
becuse you know wizards of the coast this could take years or maybe months

If we have nothing to go on by the end of August I will just have to sort something out myself. I am a bit fed up waiting.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there Paragon!

Granted Odin is powerful and all but Galacticus and Eternity are 2 of the 3 primordial forces of the Universe, as seen in an issue of Silver Surfer where Galacticus and Eternity meet and talk one taking the form of star and i can't remember what form the other took but their disscussion lead me to believe there was much more to galacticus than met the eye.

Galactus Marvel Super-hero Stats:

Fighting: 75
Agility: 75
Strength: 1000
Endurance: 3000
Reason: 1000
Intuition: 1000
Psyche: 1000

Health: 4150
Karma: 3000


Odins Marvel Super-hero Stats:

Fighting: 100
Agility: 100
Strength: 50
Endurance: 3000
Reason: 40
Intuition: 40
Psyche: 3000

Health: 3250
Karma: 3080


Eternity's Marvel Super-hero Stats:

Fighting: 5000
Agility: 5000
Strength: 5000
Endurance: 5000
Reason: 5000
Intuition: 5000
Psyche: 5000

Health: 20,000
Karma: 15,000 (though I believe Karma is listed as Infinite)

Galactus is one of the true Cosmic Heavyweights but there are a number of others equally powerful as well as a handful more powerful still; such as the entire race of Celestials; Abraxas; Eternity; Infinity; The Living Tribunal; The Infinites.

The disparity between whats seen in the comics and whats balanced in terms of RPG stats will always be a dilemma of course, if you want to keep things balanced you don't want to make planetary destruction (in and of a beings own power) too easy. I mean Galactus is called the World Devourer; but his ability to destroy a planet derives more from his technology than his own abilities.

 

[Impeesa]

I am sure I couldn't possibly comment as to whether one of the ten dragons in the IH has that same power (annihilation) as a breath weapon.

Bear in mind, everyone, that this is the same fiend who brought us the non-epic Slarecian dragon, which breathes a cone of Mordenkainen's Disjunction.

--Impeesa--