immortals handbook

[historian]

Hi historian mate!



Lets just say it will be Thanos in spirit.

By the way did you know theres a new Thanos comic run recently started? I have it on order but I haven't picked it up yet.

Yeah, I heard that it's going to be an ongoing series, w/Starlin penciling the first 6 issues. I'm looking very forward to it, but don't have it on order (I live close-by a first-rate outfit) - I wasn't aware it was out yet. That gives me something to aim for tomorrow evening.

I really enjoyed 'The END' and thought the 'Infinity Abyss' was better than credited (love the concept). An ongoing series would REALLY ROCK!!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi historian mate!

Yeah, I heard that it's going to be an ongoing series, w/Starlin penciling the first 6 issues.

I haven't really liked any of the art of Starlin since Infinity Gauntlet. Though I am not sure if its his penciling or 'whoevers' inking thats ruining it for me.

I'm looking very forward to it, but don't have it on order (I live close-by a first-rate outfit) - I wasn't aware it was out yet. That gives me something to aim for tomorrow evening.

While I am looking forward to it, surely its much too soon after 'THE END' to be bringing him back. Gives that book less gravitas.

I really enjoyed 'The END'

I thought it was fantastic, especially the end (no pun intended).

and thought the 'Infinity Abyss' was better than credited (love the concept).

It was good but I thought the ending was badly thought out. I mean if it was that easy to kill Galactus it would have been done years ago, wouldn't it!? ...and this being was considered twice as powerful as Galactus.

An ongoing series would REALLY ROCK!!

Hopefully yes. It will certainly be interesting to see where Starlin takes Thanos who is virtually a 'hero' (albeit a reluctant one) in most of his last appearances.

 

[historian]

Wait til' I get the IH, I'll give you something that could smack super-Galactus around.

What is your take on Thanos' alignment? I suppose it is possible to have a an evil hero of sorts, or a villain who is relatively heroic based on his aggression against even more evil villains (Vecna v. Iuz (sp?) for example).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi historian mate!

Wait til' I get the IH, I'll give you something that could smack super-Galactus around.

I have stuff in there that could do that already.

The CR range of the Monsters alone is 20-1000 (thats before Templates).

Still a few monsters undecided however.

I wonder would people rather see more Unique Monsters or more Generic* Monsters?

*By generic I mean as in a race - more than one of them exists.

What is your take on Thanos' alignment? I suppose it is possible to have a an evil hero of sorts, or a villain who is relatively heroic based on his aggression against even more evil villains (Vecna v. Iuz (sp?) for example).

He certainly started Neutral Evil, but by THE END he was probably (a reluctant) Neutral Good.

 

[Revenge of the Bjorn]

I wonder would people rather see more Unique Monsters or more Generic* Monsters?

Normally I might say Unique Monsters, but somehow, at this level of play, I'd like to see more races. I just feel mythology gives us enough unique beasties running around, but uber-races are hard to find. I'd be particularly interested in any angelic or demonic & diabolical critters you may have (Qlippoth apparently, and possibly Huper-Ouranoi {or something like that}? and whatver else) But that's just me. Although personally I've always felt that the ELH should've had some kind of one-of-a-kind critter that was obnoxiously tough (a la Tarrasque) for Epic play. So Unique creatures defininantely serve a purpose.

 

[Anabstercorian]

Epic Races clearly have a place in gaming - Look at the Saiya-Jin, for crying out loud. Or that species that Edena_Of_Neith pulled out at the very end of the Third IR - The Taraakians, or something like that. A higher order should exist, but the more potent a species is, the more difficult it should be to actually FIND them.

 

[Alzrius]

I wonder would people rather see more Unique Monsters or more Generic* Monsters?

*By generic I mean as in a race - more than one of them exists.

This question generally begs a DM to question the existing cosmology of his campaign.

Having an uber-Epic race is not something to be taken lightly. It forces the DM to have answers to quite a few questions about his campaign, such as "Why doesn't this race dominate the world/universe/existence already if they're so tough?" or worse, if the campaign has already started "Why haven't we ever heard about these super-powered beings?" Unless this race has a racial history built in that answers all of this, that becomes very hard for a DM to deal with. Given that, I'd say that people would want Unique Monsters more.

Also, a Unique Monster practically spells out that its a unique encounter...an epic battle not to be soon forgotten. But its one thing to defeat the singular Horror From Beyond the Universe. It's quite another thing to defeat that and then learn its just one of many. A race of beings that strong is daunting, and intimidating, for a DM to use.

Just my two cents on the issue.

 

[Matrix Sorcica]

Hi Krust!

Almost afraid to ask, but any news on the rumored website with teasers from the IH?

Also, I remember you talking about a hardcover coming out with the entire IH. Any details about that (pages, color, price, extra goodies etc)?

Waiting....waiting....

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Bjorn mate!

Normally I might say Unique Monsters, but somehow, at this level of play, I'd like to see more races.

Looking at the list right now its about 85% generic/15% specific.

I just feel mythology gives us enough unique beasties running around, but uber-races are hard to find. I'd be particularly interested in any angelic or demonic & diabolical critters you may have (Qlippoth apparently, and possibly Huper-Ouranoi {or something like that}? and whatver else) But that's just me.

Obviously I have the angels covered.

I should have at least one generic and one specific Daemon/Demon/Devil in there.

I was going to have a new (Silver) Slaad but it appears they are not OGL.

Although personally I've always felt that the ELH should've had some kind of one-of-a-kind critter that was obnoxiously tough (a la Tarrasque) for Epic play.

If I was going to have something like that I would probably call it the Beast of Gorgiron.

So Unique creatures defininantely serve a purpose.

I just want to get a good balance.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anabstercorian matey!

Epic Races clearly have a place in gaming - Look at the Saiya-Jin, for crying out loud. Or that species that Edena_Of_Neith pulled out at the very end of the Third IR - The Taraakians, or something like that. A higher order should exist, but the more potent a species is, the more difficult it should be to actually FIND them.

I have five major epic races. The sort that could threaten a Pantheon en masse. Hopefully that will be enough.