Immune Charm/Fear

[Caliber]

So if a creature has Immunity to Charm or Fear (or both) would they be immune to just being Charmed or Feared? Or are they immune to any power with the Charm or Fear keywords in it? Feel free to replace Charm/Fear with any keyword in your replies.

Thanks!

 

[Khime]

So if a creature has Immunity to Charm or Fear (or both) would they be immune to just being Charmed or Feared? Or are they immune to any power with the Charm or Fear keywords in it? Feel free to replace Charm/Fear with any keyword in your replies.

Thanks!

It's all about the keywords. If you're immune, it's to a kind of damage/effect, not to a specific spell/power.

Immune: The monster has immunity to the stated kind of damage or effect. For example, a monster with "immune poison" never takes poison damage and can’t suffer any other ill effect from a poison attack.

Keywords help to determine how, or if, a power works when the target has resistance, vulnerability, or immunity to a damage type or an effect type, or if the power interacts with existing effects. For example, a ritual that forbids teleportation could block a power that has the teleportation keyword.

 

[Larrin]

I think the OP may be asking (if not him then me) say you have a power like this:

Some Fear Power
Keywords: Fear
Attack: wisdom vs will
hit: 1d6+5 damage and target takes a -2 to all attacks (save ends)

If a creature is immune to fear, does this power neither give him a penalty nor deal damage to him? i can see him not getting a penalty, but damage is damage (or say the power also had the fire keyword and the damage was specifically fire) just because you don't scare easily doesn't mean magical bullets (or fire balls) bounce off you....

 

[Caliber]

I think the OP may be asking (if not him then me) say you have a power like this:

Some Fear Power
Keywords: Fear
Attack: wisdom vs will
hit: 1d6+5 damage and target takes a -2 to all attacks (save ends)

If a creature is immune to fear, does this power neither give him a penalty nor deal damage to him? i can see him not getting a penalty, but damage is damage (or say the power also had the fire keyword and the damage was specifically fire) just because you don't scare easily doesn't mean magical bullets (or fire balls) bounce off you....

Yes, exactly. Immune: Poison, or Immune: Fire, are easy to figure out. THe monster simply doesn't take any Fire or Poison damage.

But, as far as I know, there is no such thing as Fear or Charm damage so, what precisely does Immune Charm or Immune Fear give you? Is any attack with Charm or Fear keywords negated? Does the type of damage the attack do make a difference? Anyone able to help here?

 

[Khime]

If a creature is immune to fear, does this power neither give him a penalty nor deal damage to him? i can see him not getting a penalty, but damage is damage (or say the power also had the fire keyword and the damage was specifically fire) just because you don't scare easily doesn't mean magical bullets (or fire balls) bounce off you....

Well, the definition of immune is you have immunity to the stated type of damage or effect. Fear is not a damage type; it is an effect type (PHB p55). So you would be immune to the effect, but not the damage.

 

[Larrin]

Gotcha! if its immune to an effect keyword it only isn't effected by the effect. If its immune to a damage keyword it isn't damage (but could be effected...so a thunder immune creature could still be pushed by thunderwave despite taking no damage??).

 

[Caliber]

Okay, so Dire Radiance looks like this:

Dire Radiance Warlock Attack 1

You cause a shaft of brilliant, cold starlight to lance down from above, bathing your foe in excruciating light. The nearer he moves toward you, the brighter and more deadly the light becomes.
At-Will Arcane, Fear, Implement, Radiant
Standard Action Ranged 10
Target: One creature
Attack: Constitution vs. Fortitude
Hit: 1d6 + Constitution modifier radiant damage. If the target moves nearer to you on its next turn, it takes an extra 1d6 + Constitution modifier damage.

Increase damage and extra damage to 2d6 + Constitution modifier at 21st level.

What would happen if I zap a creature with Immune: Fear with Dire Radiance? Nothing at all? No damage on initial hit but damage when they move closer? Damage on initial hit but not when they move closer? Or full affect?

 

[Ahglock]

Okay, so Dire Radiance looks like this:

Dire Radiance Warlock Attack 1

You cause a shaft of brilliant, cold starlight to lance down from above, bathing your foe in excruciating light. The nearer he moves toward you, the brighter and more deadly the light becomes.
At-Will Arcane, Fear, Implement, Radiant
Standard Action Ranged 10
Target: One creature
Attack: Constitution vs. Fortitude
Hit: 1d6 + Constitution modifier radiant damage. If the target moves nearer to you on its next turn, it takes an extra 1d6 + Constitution modifier damage.

Increase damage and extra damage to 2d6 + Constitution modifier at 21st level.

What would happen if I zap a creature with Immune: Fear with Dire Radiance? Nothing at all? No damage on initial hit but damage when they move closer? Damage on initial hit but not when they move closer? Or full affect?

I think the real question is why does that power have the fear keyword. Is starlight scary power or something?

He would take full damage, its radiant damage and you get your worse defense. So to be immune the target would have to be radiant and fear immune. If there was some kind of separate fear effect, they would be immune to the fear effect I'd say. But despite the keyword, there does not seem to be any fear effect in this, the light is just more powerful closer to the warlord.

 

[Caliber]

Not really a bad answer Aghlock. How would you define a Fear effect though? I don't think there is actually a Feared condition is there? Would it basicly come down to fluff text, with something like "target is dazed with Fear"?

Or am I mistaken and there is a Fear condition?

 

[Deverash]

The was I worked it, is you'd be immune to the additional damage(since it doesn't have a damage type, it's all Fear based). They'd have to be immune to both Fear and Radiant to ignore the whole power.

Basically, is there a damage keyword there? If yes, then everything not attached to the damage keyword is all attached to the Fear Keyword.