Pathfinder 1E In Pathfinder 1e, do half-elves and half-orcs get the human bonus feat by virtue of being half-human?

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There is a debate amongst members or my PF1e group as to whether half-elves and half-orcs get the human bonus feat by virtue of being half-human. Is this correct? I've seen where it has been said that half-orcs and half-elves get access to the rule elements of humans since they are half-human. Is the full human bonus feat one of these rules elements?

As much as I would love my half-orcs and half-elves to get the human bonus feat, in some respects, I just don't see why anyone would ever play a human again if the half races get this bonus feat.
 

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There is a debate amongst members or my PF1e group as to whether half-elves and half-orcs get the human bonus feat by virtue of being half-human. Is this correct? I've seen where it has been said that half-orcs and half-elves get access to the rule elements of humans since they are half-human. Is the full human bonus feat one of these rules elements?
Both half-elves and half-orcs have human as one of their subtypes (the other subtype being elf and orc, respectively). So that would mean they benefit (or suffer) from anything else that keys off the human subtype. But they don't get any of the listed racial features in the Human race entry in the rules. They each have their own entry that they follow instead.
 

As other people have said, they do not get the bonus feat that humans receive.

I've heard similar arguments, mostly from people who (understandably) confused "racial traits" (i.e. the various mechanics specific to each race, such as humans getting a bonus feat, dwarves getting a skill bonus to notice unusual stonework, halflings getting a +1 to all saving throws, etc.) with "race traits," which are a race-specific subset of the bonus features that your character gets at 1st level, introduced in the Advanced Player's Guide.
 

From PF1 Core Rulebook p 24 on Half-elves: Elf Blood: Half Elves count as both elf and human for any effect related to race.
Entry under Half Orc is the same except sub Orc for Elf. But this may be what got argued in a past game to justify a bonus feat.
But in all PF1 games I have been in, only humans got the bonus feat.
Also possible that in one of the bizzilion and one supplement books, there is a way for a half-X to get the human bonus feat in trade for giving up one or more of the half-X traits.
 

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