Indiana Jones 4 and KotS similarities? *Spoilers*

[Inyssius]

Some of my friends (and my brother) didn't like the idea of aliens. So I was like "Aren't we all pure atheists?" "Yes" "So how in the world we can accept Arks, evil sorcerers and the Grail but not aliens, which are far more believable for us" "Oh, true".

As an atheist, you believe that religious stuff is illogical, evidence-free, and often ridiculous. You're predisposed to file it all under "fantasy", and as a D&D geek you're willing to overlook, if not revel in, the peculiar logic associated with fantasy. That is, you're used to suspending your disbelief for the religious subgenre, and if something doesn't make sense it's probably just being true to the source material.

But when you see aliens, your brain wants to file them under Science. You're used to Science things making sense, and behaving logically and realistically. Aliens generally do not do any of those things. It's really hard to make up any alien-related scenario that seems realistic, and actually showing Greys in flying saucers just triggers your "BAD SCIENCE" reaction, like "homeopathic remedies" or nonsensical time travel plots.

(Or I could be totally wrong. Or soon-to-be-banhammered for talking about religion. Erm... crap.)

 

[ZetaStriker]

The messed up Army Ant nests. Their nests are made out of groups of the ants banded together, much in the same way they banded together to climb over themselves to get to the villainess. Sorry, just some random stuff I picked up from the history channel. Yes, I realize it has no effect on the movie, nor did it alter my enjoyment of it. I just had to mention it. XD

Anyway, yeah, aliens felt too weird for me. Even compared to the Temple of Doom's rip out the heart sacrifice thing, it was weird. Whatever their reasons were, they should have stuck with ancient mysteries, not ancient sci-fi mysteries. Also, wasn't the city of gold just done in National Treasure 2? That can't be a coincidence...

Final verdict: it was a fun movie, at least when aliens weren't involved, but a poor Indiana Jones movie.

And just to relate it to DnD... how could everyone have not seen through Mac's many 'I'm not really a bad guy'! speeches if he hadn't been rolling '20s on his Bluff?

 

[Jack99]

I didn't mind the aliens plot, but overall, I was a bit disappointed. Especially of the CGI-fest towards the end. I mean, it's freaking Spielberg. I expect more.

Cheers

 

[hong]

As an atheist, you believe that religious stuff is illogical, evidence-free, and often ridiculous. You're predisposed to file it all under "fantasy", and as a D&D geek you're willing to overlook, if not revel in, the peculiar logic associated with fantasy. That is, you're used to suspending your disbelief for the religious subgenre, and if something doesn't make sense it's probably just being true to the source material.

But when you see aliens, your brain wants to file them under Science. You're used to Science things making sense, and behaving logically and realistically. Aliens generally do not do any of those things. It's really hard to make up any alien-related scenario that seems realistic, and actually showing Greys in flying saucers just triggers your "BAD SCIENCE" reaction, like "homeopathic remedies" or nonsensical time travel plots.

(Or I could be totally wrong. Or soon-to-be-banhammered for talking about religion. Erm... crap.)

Aliens are to be filed under Science!, which is not the same as Science. Science! is just as much in-genre for pulp, and therefore Indy, as Nazis and ancient tombs.

 

[WhatGravitas]

Aliens are to be filed under Science!, which is not the same as Science. Science! is just as much in-genre for pulp, and therefore Indy, as Nazis and ancient tombs.

Also: She can blind you with it.

Cheers, LT.

 

[Cirex]

As an atheist, you believe that religious stuff is illogical, evidence-free, and often ridiculous. You're predisposed to file it all under "fantasy", and as a D&D geek you're willing to overlook, if not revel in, the peculiar logic associated with fantasy. That is, you're used to suspending your disbelief for the religious subgenre, and if something doesn't make sense it's probably just being true to the source material.

But when you see aliens, your brain wants to file them under Science. You're used to Science things making sense, and behaving logically and realistically. Aliens generally do not do any of those things. It's really hard to make up any alien-related scenario that seems realistic, and actually showing Greys in flying saucers just triggers your "BAD SCIENCE" reaction, like "homeopathic remedies" or nonsensical time travel plots.

(Or I could be totally wrong. Or soon-to-be-banhammered for talking about religion. Erm... crap.)

I would reply, but we would be going off-topic and probably, and maybe starting a fire, being that not my intention.

However, I can't resist to add the "Are we so selfish to think we're alone?" line.

 

[hong]

Also: She can blind you with it.

Cheers, LT.

So that's what happened to Irina at the end. Too much Science! for her eyes to handle!

 

[Henry]

So that's what happened to Irina at the end. Too much Science! for her eyes to handle!

Well, Kate Blanchett WAS kinda Poetry in Motion...


RE: Indiana Jones and Aliens: It was set in the 1950's! Atomic blasts, Greasers with switchblades, Natasha-sounding Russians and Aliens make PERFECT Sense! I thought it fit perfectly, given that they WEREN'T going to be able to set this movie in the 30's or early 40's. However, it's too bad that the window passed to see Indy Jones in action in World War II doing spy-work...

Not much to say about the 4e elements, because for everything you saw, most of them could have just as easily been in a 3e or d20 modern game -- though I've been leaning more toward Mutants and Masterminds or True20 for the kind of outlandish action that most cinema flicks have nowadays.

 

[LowSpine]

When that movie started, and I saw aliens, I groaned. then there was some cool stuff in the jungle, and a great scene involving fire ants... and then we were back to aliens.

Aliens.

Indiana Jones.

I've already begun writing an open letter to Steven Spielberg and George Lucas in my head.

Lets face the only one that is truly brilliant is The Lost Ark. Why? Because of its subtlety. It is only as 'fantastical' as it needs to be and because of that it has an element of mystery and suspension of disbelief. Subtlety is a lost art today. (not pointing my finger at 3E/4E artwork or anything)

Destroy all CGI. It is like the Atom Bomb falling into the wrong hands - George Lucas+New Star Wars films.

Sorry I thought I was in MoviePoopShoot.com

 

[Silverblade The Ench]

Well, to paraphrase:
"Suffciently advanced Sciene, to primitive screwheads, like us modern Humans, would be indistinguishable from Magic!"


Our ideas on "science" and "How the universe works" are really damned primitive, we're incredibly arrogant in thinking "we knows how da universey works!", jeesh, give us a few million years, or as Mr Ford said in another film:
"Don't get cocky, kid!"


I'm not getting at "the Scientific Method", merely that it's the best tool we have at the moment, it's Human arrogance ot think though that it's the pinnacle/best...every group always thinks that until they find out otherwise...
Thus, what is magic/fantasy today, could be scifi next century, and science fact in another century.
Wrist watch video phones/mp3 and MP4 players, anyone?

Psychic swordfencer, mmmm, nice and she is tasty *evil grin*
End cave-in-water fill was very nice IMHO, very big scale.
Swarms were awesome, lol! carrying the brusier down to his doom, gah!!!

Problem with the film was it lacked MENACE, it didn't have eerie scariness, like the others did.

I love how Spielberg uses an international cast, and makes it a universal film.