Innapropriate do you think?

[Adrian Usher]

Children aboard

I wholeheartedly agree with Kathryn's and Nihil's postings. They said things much better than I could have done.

Kathryn_aka_kat wrote:

If you want a character that others will enjoy playing with, then make a character that plays well with others. I'm a little confused by those that make quirky or difficult-to-deal-with chars and then are annoyed by others reacting to it. Play a grumpy sarcastic person, sure! But don't complain that people hate and avoid it. Play a "sweetly innocent" child, but don't be surprised if many avoid it as well.

Nihil wrote:

You decided to forget the realistic aspect and play a child because you wanted too. Good for you, you should play whomever you want, but at the same time so will everyone else. (...) you play what you want against better judgement, don't be so surprised when others don't react the way you want them too.

And as to saying "Why can't I play a 3-year-old child, other people are playing demons and devils and it's allowed"?
Well first of all people who think they absolutely have to pretend their character is The Mighty Demon Lord Whatshisname because it gives them an ego trip don't rank very high in my esteem.
And second, it's flawed reasoning, a fallacy of argumentation. It's like saying "My neighbor is unashamedly beating his wife, so why am *I* not allowed to rob a bank?"

Yanou (and everyone with child characters out there), you have made your bed, now lie in it. We all agree, I believe, that a character who is a minor has all the same rights as an adult characters under the CoC, meaning he has the right not to be abused just for being there.

But creating and playing a child (or any other sort of perky or nauseatingly cute) character in an attempt to force other players to have their characters fawn over and coddle said child is annoying. And with the recent influx of underage child characters to the tavern, yes I am getting annoyed.

Everyone has the right for their character to be respected OOC and IC (unless said character is patently ridiculous or distracting). But trying to force emotions and reaction on other people by playing the "cute" card stinks of Mary Sue-ism.

What is a Mary Sue? There are several good essays on the internet in regard to this monstrosity, but try here:

http://enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de/~bastian/Ranma/MarySue.html
"Self-Insertion and Mary-Sue-ism"

I realize this thread has diverted from the original topic about child-abusers IC. But we all seem to agree that graphic violence, "baby eating demons" or child abuse is something we do not want to see played out online, not even for IC reasons - there's such a thing as bad taste. So the only thing left to discuss is
a) why do these things happen, and
b) what to do about it?

Given the Freedom-of-Destiny clause in the ISRP rooms, any on-screen child abuse means there are always two guilty parties: The abuser, and the player who created a child and allows it to be abused.

So for myself, I will report stuff I see and feel grossly inappropriate in the future, but to judge from the comments on this threat it's not worth it to play out an attack on the abuser to save the poor kid, because then I run the risk of being labeled a harasser and trouble maker. Damned it you do, damned if you don't. :banghead:

Peer pressure is probably the only way to go. In moderation.

 

[Adrian Usher]

Medieval world?

I can... it's a middle ages world, and 'kids' are considered 'adults' at say, 13 years of age back then.

Why? Because their muscles are all fully workable, and they can be useful in the field. Most people don't live to long, despite magic, because magic is Expensive.

Besides that, there aren't any age restrictions in Ye-Olde taverns. Here's the restriction: Whose got coin?

Any ways, that's just me. :tiphat:

I'd agree if the basic D&D world had anything to do with the real European (and eurasian) Middle Ages. It's a romanticized Heroic Fantasy setting with shades of medieval flair. It doesn't even try to simulate historical social structures, gender inequality, and such things.

I doubt Wizards wants to encourage depictions of child labor, arranged marriage and pregnancy of 14-year old girls, 12-year old boys been sent away from the family to be apprenticed, murder of children with the aim of manipulating royal succession, toddlers and orphans dying from hunger, disease, rats or from getting under the hooves of horses, etc.?

I remember a passage from the PHB 3E about everyday people in D&D worlds living longer and healthier lives than one would expect from the technological level precisely because of all the magic easily available. Plus the average level of literacy and available education is much higher than in most places in medieval times.

Don't tell me we don't impose modern western moral values on the ISRP settings. We already do. So I don't think your argument holds together.

 

[Nihil]

I can do no more than applaud Usher's words. Well said and well put.

Hat off to you,
Nihil

 

[Drindin]

Re: Medieval world?

I'd agree if the basic D&D world had anything to do with the real European (and eurasian) Middle Ages. It's a romanticized Heroic Fantasy setting with shades of medieval flair. It doesn't even try to simulate historical social structures, gender inequality, and such things.
....

Even in DND rules, you're considered an adult by human standards at age 15.

But that's beside the point.

I said it once, and I'll say it again, that's just me.

 

[Nihil]

Of course the point is rather moot, the issue is not teenagers, but rather small children, no? Which even in the middle ages or DnD a five year old was not on their own.

Nihil

 

[Drindin]

Of course the point is rather moot, the issue is not teenagers, but rather small children, no? Which even in the middle ages or DnD a five year old was not on their own.

Nihil

Of course! That was a given.

 

[TheGrandSteward]

Tragic Thoughts

Bunch of misunderstanding killed my love for ISRP a long time ago. I left not because obscene behavior but because I could not handle the overt prudish intolorant behavior. So, I left and rediscovered how fun pen and paper role play is. Anyway, with all that here is what I think.

Obscene is what you make obscene. Of course we can get into philosophy and the what not, but that not the point. Reading something is very different thing then actually doing it. Gosh, you would think these people would actually be eating babies, blimy!

I don't understand these twisted values at times. Kind of reminds me of old Salem where people were put to death due to religious intolerance and this is coming from people that left England due to religious intolrance. (!)

Relax people sheesh.

Of course there is always the fear of the children, but come on. I didn't go out and kill people because I played D&D which is grossly violent game and I started playing D&D when I was twelve and I played violent video games when I was even younger. Boy, I do recall knocking poor Bowser into that fire pit oh so many times.

Like I said, relax people relax.

Oh, I am not attacking anybody. I didn't feel like reading all these posts to begin with. I am just stating my opinion, more to myself then to others.

So again relax.