I can see how that would be nice. How useful is it to someone who can't hide as a bonus action, though?Greater Invisibility is amazing on a rogue. They can attack with backstab, move away without an OA, and hide as their bonus action.
I can see how that would be nice. How useful is it to someone who can't hide as a bonus action, though?Greater Invisibility is amazing on a rogue. They can attack with backstab, move away without an OA, and hide as their bonus action.
I can see how that would be nice. How useful is it to someone who can't hide as a bonus action, though?
Okay, so in continuing to figure out how these rules interact, I re-read the section on Stealth.
You make a Stealth check to hide, which costs an action.
But you also make a Stealth check to sneak past some guards, which can be done on your move.
So it strikes me as reasonable to say that a creature who has just gone invisible should be able to make a Stealth check to attempt to move somewhere quietly so that others in the area don't know where it ends up. The DC would be either the highest Passive Perception of the others (if they're not actively tracking it) or the highest Perception roll of anyone who is tracking it.
Agree/disagree?
Okay, so in continuing to figure out how these rules interact, I re-read the section on Stealth.
You make a Stealth check to hide, which costs an action.
But you also make a Stealth check to sneak past some guards, which can be done on your move.
So it strikes me as reasonable to say that a creature who has just gone invisible should be able to make a Stealth check to attempt to move somewhere quietly so that others in the area don't know where it ends up. The DC would be either the highest Passive Perception of the others (if they're not actively tracking it) or the highest Perception roll of anyone who is tracking it.
Agree/disagree?
This is, of course, a consequence of folding both move silently and hide into one skill. And I'm okay with the folding, just trying to figure out how the new version works best.
If you take the hide action while invisible, what are you actually doing in-game, and how does it differ from a normal stealth check?
Re-reading the rules again, I can definitely see the "hiding takes an action" argument per RAW. But at the same time, if I say that you can't hide in combat without spending an action, then I am also saying there is no possible way to move without everyone in the room tracking you precisely during the six seconds after you go invisible--yet it is possible after that. I just can't see a way to square that idea with the fiction of what's happening in-game.
But then I have to say there is no way to make that effort even if you want to. And even quietly standing still won't help you.Here's a way to square it: They can track you precisely because you are making no special effort to hide while moving.
But then I have to say there is no way to make that effort even if you want to. And even quietly standing still won't help you.
You don't have to say anything like that if you don't want to - you're the DM. But as far as squaring things goes: You can absolutely make an effort e.g. tiptoeing away after casting the spell or standing stock still. But, in combat, that approach fails to achieve the goal of becoming hidden from enemies (no check at all) unless you make a special effort that requires an action.