Invisibility, Haste & Sneak Attack

[Jaxom]

A rogue, with sneak attack and a ring of invisibility, uses the haste partial action to move and attack (while invisible) once to apply her sneak attack damage. Then for the Full-Attack action attacks the same person after the invisibility goes down... Does she apply sneak attack damage to those attacks as well?

 

[AuraSeer]

No. The rogue is no longer invisible, so the target no longer loses his Dex bonus to AC; therefore, sneak attack doesn't apply.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

I don't kow if there is an official ruling on it or not, but I'd say yes. Thanks to the artifical initiative mechanics all those attacks happen at the same time, so the invis would cover them all.

It's on the same level as where you either moved out of the area ofeffect or didn't there isn't any caught while moving cause it would take time thing, or how if you leap farther than your movement rate you can either land there, or float frozen in place in air for 6 seconds waiting for your enxt turn to continue your leap. It's silly, but that's what you get with a turn based ssytem some times.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

The fact that all of the attacks happen on the same initiative count is completely immaterial. The rogue is visible after the first one. This is true regardless of whether she's hasted or is merely breaking invisibility with a full attack.

However, she may well have caught her target flat-footed with that trick.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

The fact that all of the attacks happen on the same initiative count is completely immaterial. The rogue is visible after the first one. This is true regardless of whether she's hasted or is merely breaking invisibility with a full attack.

However, she may well have caught her target flat-footed with that trick.

No the rogue is visible after he/she attacks. Not after there 1st attack in a full attack action. A full attack is an attack. Now the partial charge and full attack might be separated into two sepparate attacks. and therefore have it drop after the partial charge, but like I said I don't think there has been an official ruling on this.

 

[Jaxom]

My problem is going to be durring a game tonight where the Rogue is going to attempt this move on one of the players. I figured it has happened or could happen to anyone here who plays regularly. I'll have to come up with a ruling so I figured I'd get the possible arguments that would come up here on-line.

 

[Caliban]

No the rogue is visible after he/she attacks. Not after there 1st attack in a full attack action. A full attack is an attack.

There is a difference between an attack action and the attack itself. You can choose to take the attack action, but not actually attack, for example. (Usually this is only done when you want to use Expertise to increase your AC, but you don't want to attack anyone yet.)

A "Full Attack Action" is an action that allows multiple attacks, but it is not itself an attack. The attacks do not happen at the same time, as you can switch from doing a Full Attack Action to a Standard Attack Action after your first attack if you choose, and you can choose to take a 5' step in between the attacks.

Thus, there is very clearly a break between the first attack in the full attack action and any remaining attacks, and since they don't happen simultaneously, then you would become visible after the first attack.

 

[kreynolds]

Oh look! It's this wonderful topic again!

A rogue, with sneak attack and a ring of invisibility, uses the haste partial action to move and attack (while invisible) once to apply her sneak attack damage. Then for the Full-Attack action attacks the same person after the invisibility goes down... Does she apply sneak attack damage to those attacks as well?

No. The rogue would get sneak attack damage only for the attack used with the haste partial action. If the rogue had used the full-attack action first, then sneak attack damage would apply to all of the attacks [edit]within the full attack, but not for the haste attack that would follow[/edit]. This has been clarified by the Sage...

I have a question about the invisibility spell. The description states that if you attack a target, the spell is cancelled. An invisible attacker always receives a bonus to hit a target, unless they have blindsight or something similar. So my question is this; If you are under the effects of invisibility, and you have three attacks at +16/+11/+6, do you gain the usual bonus to hit with the first attack, all of the attacks, or none of the attacks?

All of them. (Note you have to use the full attack action to make all those attacks, so your opponent must be close by.)

Now, please excuse the fire trail as I tear butt outta here.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

No. The rogue would get sneak attack damage only for the attack used with the haste partial action. If the rogue had used the full-attack action first, then sneak attack damage would apply to all of the attacks. This has been clarified by the Sage...



Now, please excuse the fire trail as I tear butt outta here.

Well that works for me, full attack sure, but if hasted its attack is sepparate so not for that.

And yes time to tear butt out of hear to avoid the firestorm made from our favorite arguments. And since this is one I don't care about I wont stay to argu..discuss it.

 

[kreynolds]

Well that works for me, full attack sure, but if hasted its attack is sepparate so not for that.

That's what I meant. Reading my post again, I can see how I wasn't very clear. Let me go back and clarify that.

And yes time to tear butt out of hear to avoid the firestorm made from our favorite arguments.

Looks like we're on the same wavelength here.