Involuntary movement = AoO?

[Voadam]

from the srd combat basics section:

If a character's entire move for the round is 5 feet the 5 foot move does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

So it would seem to me if you did not move on your round and you only got great thrown 5ft, or knocked back 5ft by the Diablo barbarian bash ability, or the diablo paladin shield smite ability, you do not provoke attacks of opportunity from those who threaten you.

 

[Archer]

I always ruled great throw as effectively teleporting someone from one square to another. They do not trigger any AoO. Great throw is powerful on its own.

Bull rush and shield bash do trigger AoO. They don't have nearly the utility otherwise.

 

[IceBear]

from the srd combat basics section:

If a character's entire move for the round is 5 feet the 5 foot move does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

So it would seem to me if you did not move on your round and you only got great thrown 5ft, or knocked back 5ft by the Diablo barbarian bash ability, or the diablo paladin shield smite ability, you do not provoke attacks of opportunity from those who threaten you.

Well, from reading the latest Star Wars rulebook and the CoC rulebook, it seems that the bull's rush in the newer rulebooks agree with the SRD and removed the AoO due to forced movement.

Thus, this appears to be irrelevant now - you don't cause anyone to suffer an AoO for forced movement.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

So it would seem to me if you did not move on your round and you only got great thrown 5ft, or knocked back 5ft by the Diablo barbarian bash ability, or the diablo paladin shield smite ability, you do not provoke attacks of opportunity from those who threaten you.

Exactly. That's what Ki Ryn mentioned in his first post, and what I agreed with in my reply to him.

 

[IceBear]

Well, I don't think that's relevant anymore (as per my above post), but I don't interpret the forced movement as being "the character's movement" (mainly because you can push a character even if he has no movement left), and thus I don't see it that way. Obviously, your opinions differ on that, but as I said from reading the latest rulesets from WotC none of them make any mention of AoO due to forced movement anymore (nor does the SRD) so it's really a moot point.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

It's strange though, because there hasn't been any errata, and it's so clearly and bluntly stated in the Bull Rush Results on page 137 of the PH. Is there anything in the FAQ? Anybody got an email from the Sage? Anybody seen anything official on this?

I would also like to point out that this is D&D, not Star Wars or CoC, just to be irritatingly nitpicky.

 

[IceBear]

I know it's not Star Wars or CoC, but they DID turn Star Wars combat into D&D combat (there never used to be AoO in Star Wars until the 2nd printing). A lot of the rules in those books are pretty much cut and paste of the D&D stuff.

For me, the fact that the "cleaner" rule printings and the SRD (which is more D&D than anything else) no longer make mention of AoO due to being pushed is telling.

I think we all agree here that the rules for AoO due to forced movement is messy.

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

I think we all agree here that the rules for AoO due to forced movement is messy.

Most definately, sir.

 

[IceBear]

It's strange though, because there hasn't been any errata, and it's so clearly and bluntly stated in the Bull Rush Results on page 137 of the PH. Is there anything in the FAQ? Anybody got an email from the Sage? Anybody seen anything official on this?

Oh, I'm well aware of what's in the PHB, I quoted it above.

Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time that a rule was changed/modified without anything "offical"

I think I'll just drop the whole AoO due to forced movement just because it's "cleaner"

IceBear

 

[kreynolds]

Oh, I'm well aware of what's in the PHB, I quoted it above.

I know. It was more of a discussion refresh than anything else.

I think I'll just drop the whole AoO due to forced movement just because it's "cleaner"

What about the idea put forth above, the one that says the reason that you provoke AoOs when you are forceably moved is because of the very fact that you are being forceably moved, thus you can't defend yourself properly and all your defenses are wide open? That sounds pretty solid as to why you would provoke AoOs for being forceably moved. What do you think?