(IR) IR Interlude, between Turns 3 and 4

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Perhaps there is nothing you can do ... alone ... Maudlin, but there are 15 other Powers out there who are potential allies.

If you wish to defeat Forrester, or protect yourself from him, then find allies and work with them against a common threat!

Don't give up.
Get mad.

Vecna did not give up, even though he was outnumbered and outgunned 4 to 1.
And he didn't even have allies, or any hope of having allies, except for the Shade only - and they ran away (I made them run away to save them.)
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(not to put too fine a point on it, but Vecna got whooped :))

But hey! I never said I was giving up!

If all I'm going to do is break Forrester's pinky nail, that's the most vicious damn broken nail he's EVER going to have!


Gloves off! Acererak pledges his undying (har har) loyalty to the cause of Vecna and the Torillian downfall!

Now that his allies have seen what he plans to do once he thought himself unopposed, there will be a less enthusiastic unity, I'm sure!

Exclamation mark!
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Cheer Up, Edena

Edena, I am sure noone blames you for Turosh Mak leaving. I don't and I am sure no one else will. Are you still looking for a player for Turosh Mak's faction? I think I can dig one up if you are.

From Shade to Forrester and his lackeys:

Don`t force us to do desperate acts, we would NEVER become your slaves.

We give you the following ultimatum:
We have hundreds of thousands prisoners, mostly elves from Celene, including Queen Yolande and Melf Brightblade. If you or any of your allies attack us, we will sacrifice them all to The Darkness, you saw what we did with these elven children? It is a terrible way to die, and their souls would be lost, they won`t go to Arvandor. We await your response, son of a bitch.



It might be a little hard for you to kill Melf and Yolande (again), since I have ressurected them from the previous execution and returned them to where they belong.
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Kalanyr, Edena said that Shade have them, we got their bodies( in case we didn`t capture them alive) and resecurrected them before you tried to do it, as very important prisoners.

I thought you already sacrificed them, on public display.[/QUOTE

Only some children from royal family.
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As an act of good will Shade will release few thousand prisoners, mostly elven children. They are mostly in good condition, which means that they aren`t crippled and without mortal injuries, but it is evident that they suffered much, both mentally and phisically, some of them seem to be driven mad by Shade treatment. They say that there are many Drow among the Shade, those Drow from Toril that didn`t turn to good, most evil of their kind, and they love to to torture and humiliate elves. Many of these children have members of their families left in Shadow Throne, and they are very worried about them.
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Kalanyr said:

Edit- I have to agree with Melkor and Maudlin this is ridiculous myself and my allies spent 3 turns and 100 PL on 10th level magic giving up everything for it and then this super-powered Torillian grabs it in 1 Turn. We may as well call these threads Forrester's overwhelming victory.

I think that Edena perhaps made a mistake by removing the "halving" rule from me -- OOC, I can understand your point, certainly.

However, I would like to point out that the way I grabbed 10th level magic in one turn was by researching it for three turns, and doing a huge push the last turn due to 200PL of help BY MY ALLIES.

I didn't do this alone. I'm allowed to be diplomatic, no?


PS I think there's a solution to this problem other than:

1) Big Red Button
2) Mass suicide by the Oerthians against me (most of whom I've helped in the past -- I wasn't demanding tribute from *them*
3) Leaving the thread because the UC is too damn overwhelming. And I know it's a little tempting at the moment if you're a Bad Guy.

I'm going to talk it over with Edena. If we can pull it off, it will be very, very cool.

One last point -- the fact that the vast majority of the forces on Oerth decided to play for Good, and not Evil (even Kalanyr has changed sides!!) may bring the IR to an earlier end than might be expected -- but not a premature end. If ten countries are for peace and prosperity, and only two or three are for evil and war, then what do you expect but a quick defeat for the latter?

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Forrester said:
3) Leaving the thread because the UC is too damn overwhelming. And I know it's a little tempting at the moment if you're a Bad Guy.
Just for the record, I never even considered this...

I'm going to talk it over with Edena. If we can pull it off, it will be very, very cool.
Coolness is good :)

One last point -- the fact that the vast majority of the forces on Oerth decided to play for Good, and not Evil (even Kalanyr has changed sides!!) may bring the IR to an earlier end than might be expected -- but not a premature end. If ten countries are for peace and prosperity, and only two or three are for evil and war, then what do you expect but a quick defeat for the latter?
Well, yeah, we could have decided to all get along in Turn 1, but that would have been a bit of an anticlimax :)


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From Edena to all in the IR

Ok, here it is.

I cannot run the IR if I cannot rely on my players to stay.
It is not possible.
It is not a matter of whether I am angry or not angry, or whether I am enjoying the IR, or not enjoying the IR - it is not possible for me to run the IR if I cannot rely on my players to stick with it.

I have committed a vast amount of time and effort to this, and continuing this requires considerable time and effort.
I must update the lists.
Do you know what that entails?

I have had to read through 20 pages or more of e-mails, posts, all out of order, often contradicting themselves, often revised and revised again.
Then I must read every word of every post of every thread in the Turn.
Only THEN can I assess accurately your status in the Arms Races.

I must first determine, though, the amount of damage to every and every country in play (there are over 100 of them), the damage inflicted on your Planars and other allies, and so on.
Then I must do the regular update on your Arms Races.
Then I can read through the enormous backlog of material, to ascertain who gave technology to who, who spent how many points of magical research, what the penalties were, how much you advanced your civilization, how much the PLs of your countries are affected by it ...
And then I must add up all your scores. It only takes a full hour to do just that alone.

Then I must place your forces on the board.
On Turn 3, that took 7 hours to accomplish.
It took 3 hours for initial set-up, then 4 hours more as I read through 50 e-mails where you'all redid your Templates.

Then, during play, I must rp for my own forces, describe battles, update what is going on, and roll for all of the forces on the board.
I must arbitrate disputes that cannot be handled by dice, deal with secret plots, and otherwise attempt to enable you to have fun.

Now, creating Turrosh Mak's new roster on the Lists took me a long time.
I ascertained damage.
I distributed damage.
I ascertained everything from his Template.
I went over all the other Templates to make sure his roster was accurate.
I prepared to set his pieces up anew on the board.

Exactly what am I supposed to do now?

I could play his Power.
I do not wish to do so. I am playing Vecna.
And I have enough on my hands without having to play a Power.

I can give his Power to a new player.
That new player will have NO familiarity with the rules I have set up for the IR ... he will be thrown headfirst into deep water without knowing how to swim.

I can break up the Power, and give pieces of it to other Powers.
That is what I am mostly likely going to have to do.
Probably, to Dagger, GnomeWorks, and William.
But that means I must take the time and effort to redistribute all those countries.
And Dagger, GnomeWorks, and William must send me new Templates.

Dagger, GnomeWorks, and William needed Turrosh Mak as a crucial support and ally.
Turrosh Mak was a fundamental part of the IR storyline.

Imagine taking Gimli out of FOTR, and look at the result.
It isn't good.

How am I supposed to know if anyone is going to stay in the IR?
How am I supposed to know if 3 or 4 more players won't get up and walk away from the table this Turn, or next Turn, or the next Turn?
How am I supposed to prepare for that, or hope to deal with it?

What is coming up is going to be a very ferocious war.
It is going to beggar the war that has just occurred, in it's scope and the amount of damage it inflicts.
A lot of Powers are going to be thrown onto the ropes, hopefully to rebound into the Ring, but perhaps not.
That is what really big wars are like.

Forrester understands this very well.
He has been through two of them already.
He really DID blow Evereska and Evermeet off the face of Toril, and he really IS going to wage all-out war to win.
That is the nature of how Forrester plays.
If you expect Forrester, of all people, to pull his punches, you are incorrect in your thinking!

You see Forrester as an unbeatable foe.
Forrester seems to think he is an unbeatable foe.
As Moderator, I MUST BE NEUTRAL ... I cannot tell you how you can defeat Forrester, or cheer you on as you fight him.
I must remain neutral, for the IR to work.

But I am allowed to say that there are ways in which you can defeat Forrester.
But nothing is handed out easily ... you must look for those ways.
They exist.
Forrester has weaknesses you have not thought of.
You have strengths you have not thought of.

And, if you succeed in beating down Forrester, you will almost inevitably face another great Power that arises to take his place.
It could be Kalanyr, or the Dark Union, or Anabstercorian, or Darkness, or Uvenelei.
And then, you must figure out how to beat down this new Power in all IT'S arrogance and willingness to crush you all.
Such is the nature of the IR - it was the nature of the first IR, and the second IR.

However, I need a commitment that more people aren't going to walk out on me.
My time is not unlimited, and it is not given without reason, and I do not wish to waste it creating rosters, and then losing the player.

I do not ask for much.
All I ask for is a verbal committment.

A verbal committment that you'all will stick it out through Turn 10.
Stick with the IR, come thick or thin, through Turn 10.

I have committed to you.
Through 5 preparation threads, through the thread of Turn 0, through the thread of Turn 1, through the 2 threads of Turn 2, and through the 2 threads of Turn 3, I have been there for you.
And I have readied the roster for Turn 4.

I have been there for you.
I need you to be there for me.

Would you DM a game where you had 8 players, and the loss of even one of them might wreck the whole game, and any and all of them might walk out on you at any given moment?
That is what I have been doing.

I request a verbal committment.
I have made the case, above, for why I need a verbal committment.
I deserve a verbal committment.
I have given freely of my time and energy, in spades, and I have done my best as a neutral arbitrator.
I deserve a verbal committment.

If you would, please state on this thread that you will be there for me, for the IR, through thick and thin, through the end of Turn 10 - barring a legitimate and/or serious problem IRL that stops you from being able to play.

Is that too much to ask?

Once I have your verbal committment, we can go back to our IR, and I don't have to worry so much.
The coming war is going to be ferocious and messy, with mass destruction and mayhem.
Many of you will be on the ropes, and have to fight your way back.
But that is the IR, and in the first and second IRs, a lot of people had fun.



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I have to say, I really really like the way I've been cast as the Heavy, just because of a few posts re tribute. Directed at my enemies. [/sarcasm]

Edena seems to think I'm willing to wage some sort of all-out war against the whole of Oerth. Even if Forrester was interested in doing that (which he's not), the United Commonwealth would CERTAINLY not be interested in doing that.

Edena, please refrain from making Me Versus Them posts until we can have a little email talk later today. I think you're going to like my idea.



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Wild horses couldn't drag me away

I promise I'll stay. Illithid's honor.

And yes, I do know of ways we can defeat Forrester. They're just confusing and complex and arcane.


The Kingdom of Ulek supports Forrester in his efforts to drive the Shade off of Oerth. Forrester has no intentions of taking over this world, trust me.

As Olinstaad Corond looks upon the ruins of Celene, the Wild Coast and the Welkwood, first he is saddened at the great loss and ruin dealt to the people and the land. Then a change comes over the dwarf, an anger fills him as he lifts up his axe and shield to the heavens.

"Moradin and Clangeddin! I hardly ever pray to ye, I have no time for it. All that matters is we few stood against the many. Twice we have been attacked by the evil Shade and there allies, and twice we sent them back to their holes. I ask only that ye bring yer power to Oerth! Give me revenge and let me be yer champion! I will never rest until the Shade are ground under me boot. There can be no peace, Victory or Death! “
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Hey, Edena!!!

Just sent you some mucho important email about my idea to solve all of our problems.

I'm just so damn good. Really. Just being honest and objective here :).


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