(IR) Preparations for the IR, Thread 2
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Maudlin
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I don't want to become the busybody who makes ratty comments about everyone else's claims, and I fully agree it is more fun when at least some of the factions are bigger than most other people (evil empire syndrome). Nor is it very interesting when your influence is negligable.
That being said, the phrase "I am claiming sufficient unclaimed evil powers to bring me up to 90-100, These powers are of your choice" *really* made me twitch
Why is having the maximum starting power allowed under the rules a goal in the first place? If, in turn one, all the evil conqueror factions ally (as they seem inclined to do) that will make one big uneatable force with over 350 PL, a growth rate of over 50 and the objective of 'destroy'. Everyone else would then be forced to also ally with each other or the IR would be over by turn 3.
(this is seperate from everyone temporarily working towards a common goal, like kicking the snot out of uppity archliches, of course)
That being said, the phrase "I am claiming sufficient unclaimed evil powers to bring me up to 90-100, These powers are of your choice" *really* made me twitch
Why is having the maximum starting power allowed under the rules a goal in the first place? If, in turn one, all the evil conqueror factions ally (as they seem inclined to do) that will make one big uneatable force with over 350 PL, a growth rate of over 50 and the objective of 'destroy'. Everyone else would then be forced to also ally with each other or the IR would be over by turn 3.
(this is seperate from everyone temporarily working towards a common goal, like kicking the snot out of uppity archliches, of course
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Kalanyr
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I'm playing Drow and you expect me to want to start playing weak? Everybody hates the drow even other drow!
But Maudlin has a point if they are unclaimed I am claiming the Yuan-ti Empire 30 (We could use a seaport, they could use a lot of surface we have no use for) (Total 77 + Kalanyr),The Elves of the Lost City 4 (Total 81 + Kalanyr) (They are evil elves they should get along well the drow). And now that its free the sea-league (we can cut a deal they get money and resources we get aid) PL 13 (Total 94 + Kalanyr). Should be 99 or 100.Yeah!
The Idea is to end the IR by turn 3 then try to kick the snot out of each other for dominance (not what I want to do but what I am expecting).
But Maudlin has a point if they are unclaimed I am claiming the Yuan-ti Empire 30 (We could use a seaport, they could use a lot of surface we have no use for) (Total 77 + Kalanyr),The Elves of the Lost City 4 (Total 81 + Kalanyr) (They are evil elves they should get along well the drow). And now that its free the sea-league (we can cut a deal they get money and resources we get aid) PL 13 (Total 94 + Kalanyr). Should be 99 or 100.Yeah!
The Idea is to end the IR by turn 3 then try to kick the snot out of each other for dominance (not what I want to do but what I am expecting).
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Maudlin
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Kalanyr said:
Not weak. You were at PL 60 before, that's everything but weak. You had the Tarrasque ferchrissake
I'm just saying the starting layout represents the status quo at the time just after Kas (and later Vecna) do their timewarp thing. If the Drow are at 100, why would they not have crushed other nations that are a mere piddling 20 strong? Or 10? Or 5? Dunn't make sense.
It's what I'm expecting too, dropping the players from about 25 to 5.
That's why I'm officially announcing that on the 19th, I'm contesting every nation that seems pressganged into its current alliance. Civil war, baby!
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The Forsaken One
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I'm quite comfortable with that Idea maudlin since I'm very confident dat my claims make sense. Just a bunched up slaveryrealm in the hellfurnaces ^_^. And we've got some relative spelljammers too!
In the start I think I'm gonna bust out very agressively into the smaller things around me and when consolidated just consolidate and take a break and see what I can agree with whom.
Kalanyr we really have to come to a nice little alliance in this mountain else this isn't gonna work if we want to *$()@!*$)( all those good boys if we're gonna whack eachother over a silly mountain range. Since I SUCK at magic with my peeps you'd be a very welcome ally and My formians and a few lesser mindflayers are very well stocked in slaves And the formians are always eager to construct and conquer, never matters how, just as long as we bring new land and new thralls to the queen!
And my spelljamming friends we're exiled by there earthed kin so they are in for a nice revenge against they who forced them into greyspace!
In the start I think I'm gonna bust out very agressively into the smaller things around me and when consolidated just consolidate and take a break and see what I can agree with whom
.Kalanyr we really have to come to a nice little alliance in this mountain else this isn't gonna work if we want to *$()@!*$)( all those good boys if we're gonna whack eachother over a silly mountain range. Since I SUCK at magic with my peeps you'd be a very welcome ally and My formians and a few lesser mindflayers are very well stocked in slaves
And the formians are always eager to construct and conquer, never matters how, just as long as we bring new land and new thralls to the queen!And my spelljamming friends we're exiled by there earthed kin so they are in for a nice revenge against they who forced them into greyspace!
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Maudlin
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Well, alright, replace 'officially announce civil war' with 'hope to gently dissuade' The last thing I want to do is pretend to have any authority over who should get what.
My only interest is in seeing this thing work. Really. If the Forsaken is in your domain, he has been there for 40 years, in peace, and the forces actually inside the Hellfurnaces are significantly less than 100
My immediate neighbours to the north are 5 times stronger than me (3 times if somehow the entire Scarlet Brotherhood came to Acererak's defense). He'll just have to row with the oars he's been given. When you're fighting a dragon, maybe it's unfair that you only have 2 arms, but that's the way it is.
Now you two will ally, and whammo, another power greater than just about all the powers of good in the world. I think I can guess your actions in turn 1 Obviously I have some different opinions about this than most, so I'll stop yammering about it, I just hope this whole thing won't have been a wasted effort for 80% of the players.
The last thing I want to do is pretend to have any authority over who should get what.My only interest is in seeing this thing work. Really. If the Forsaken is in your domain, he has been there for 40 years, in peace, and the forces actually inside the Hellfurnaces are significantly less than 100
My immediate neighbours to the north are 5 times stronger than me (3 times if somehow the entire Scarlet Brotherhood came to Acererak's defense). He'll just have to row with the oars he's been given. When you're fighting a dragon, maybe it's unfair that you only have 2 arms, but that's the way it is.
Now you two will ally, and whammo, another power greater than just about all the powers of good in the world. I think I can guess your actions in turn 1
Obviously I have some different opinions about this than most, so I'll stop yammering about it, I just hope this whole thing won't have been a wasted effort for 80% of the players.
Kalanyr
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I'm willing to drop things for new players and/or good reasons. Besides less power in nations means more power for an NPC Take Kalanyr vs the God Emporer for one.
An Alliance would be good 200 is enough to actually harm Vecna,of course it makes us a target for 10th and 11th level magics.
An Alliance would be good 200 is enough to actually harm Vecna,of course it makes us a target for 10th and 11th level magics.
Serpenteye
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Maudlin said:
Perhaps the imbalance between good and evil could be corrected. The Celestial Imperium is almost as large as all of the Flannaes and the Empire of Lyrn is larger. 30 and 25 ppts seems a bit low for such huge nations. Maybe they are like Kanada or Kongo, a large surface with few people (The Empire of Lyrn is right in the rainforest belt), but they could easily be twise as powerful as they are accredited for now.
Edena_of_Neith
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I came from my vacation and skimmed the posts.
I won't address the other things, but I wish to address two important things:
I am very sorry Kesh had to drop out.
We need more people. I hope you'all can convince a couple of others to join.
Please show more courtesy to Lynux, and to each other.
Lynux's choice of nations is not stupid; only time and events will tell if his choice was good or not.
Edena_of_Neith
I won't address the other things, but I wish to address two important things:
I am very sorry Kesh had to drop out.
We need more people. I hope you'all can convince a couple of others to join.
Please show more courtesy to Lynux, and to each other.
Lynux's choice of nations is not stupid; only time and events will tell if his choice was good or not.
Edena_of_Neith
The Forsaken One
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Edena wb! Hope you had a nice "short" holliday
Hoe you can reply to this:
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William, I wana know 2 things, i think edena will have to answer them but mayB you can as well.
1. The robots on the barrier peeks what kind of tech do they poses and what will their ownership or the posession of their tech mean in the tech race?
2. Your forces in greyspace, how can they affect the happenings on Oerth itself, can they come down and give battle from teh skies or are they solely able to be deployed in greyspace?
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I thought turrosh replied they could be used for arial transport and airial combat/backup.
And I'd like to retract my claim over the istabar and reclaim the hold of the sea princes. Brings me to 98PL.
And a friend of mine is on a skiing trip but he'll 100% certain participate in the IR. And another might but that depends on if he get's his cable Inet in time.
Hoe you can reply to this:
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William, I wana know 2 things, i think edena will have to answer them but mayB you can as well.
1. The robots on the barrier peeks what kind of tech do they poses and what will their ownership or the posession of their tech mean in the tech race?
2. Your forces in greyspace, how can they affect the happenings on Oerth itself, can they come down and give battle from teh skies or are they solely able to be deployed in greyspace?
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I thought turrosh replied they could be used for arial transport and airial combat/backup.
And I'd like to retract my claim over the istabar and reclaim the hold of the sea princes. Brings me to 98PL.
And a friend of mine is on a skiing trip but he'll 100% certain participate in the IR. And another might but that depends on if he get's his cable Inet in time.
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The Forsaken One
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If he's smart it was. He'll kick your ass around oerth anytime and since he's 1 of the 2 tech boys you can't tell me you'll have more friends than he
Ever thought of just relinquising that claim and be friends with gnome? Would be very benifactial for you. Because if you don't give it like the hold of the sea princes in my case and the robots. WE'll just come and get it
The IR is about W-A-R so plz don't be surprised by a threat.
Ever thought of just relinquising that claim and be friends with gnome? Would be very benifactial for you. Because if you don't give it like the hold of the sea princes in my case and the robots. WE'll just come and get it
The IR is about W-A-R so plz don't be surprised by a threat.
GnomeWorks
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Indeed, Lynux, it was a threat.
Relinquish your claim on the Northern Lortmils, and relations will go smoother between us. I did not mention allying with you - I said that I would probably not attack you, unless you attack me. You would still be regarded as a hostile force - just one that I would be willing to ignore for a while. Of course, if you decided that you wanted to ally with me, I would be more open to your ideas, if you remove your claim on the Northern Lortmils. I do not make allies lightly, and those I ally with generally have access to my technologies.
And, the Forsaken One is right - being on slightly more friendlier terms with me would more than likely be beneficial to you. I have some very powerful allies. I do not like having an enemy at my backdoor. Remove yourself from the Northern Lortmils, and perhaps I will ignore you.
Consider this offer carefully - you will either lose the Northern Lortmils, which is not very important to your most unusual empire, or lose everything you control because of the Northern Lortmils. The choice is yours.
Relinquish your claim on the Northern Lortmils, and relations will go smoother between us. I did not mention allying with you - I said that I would probably not attack you, unless you attack me. You would still be regarded as a hostile force - just one that I would be willing to ignore for a while. Of course, if you decided that you wanted to ally with me, I would be more open to your ideas, if you remove your claim on the Northern Lortmils. I do not make allies lightly, and those I ally with generally have access to my technologies.
And, the Forsaken One is right - being on slightly more friendlier terms with me would more than likely be beneficial to you. I have some very powerful allies. I do not like having an enemy at my backdoor. Remove yourself from the Northern Lortmils, and perhaps I will ignore you.
Consider this offer carefully - you will either lose the Northern Lortmils, which is not very important to your most unusual empire, or lose everything you control because of the Northern Lortmils. The choice is yours.
The Forsaken One
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Lynux if you want to get somewhere take his advise. Gnome's technilogocal influence reaches FAR. And you aren't the most interesting ally because your just spread out everywhere and if someone wants something they'll won't ally you but just take it....
At least I will.
And it's nice to have some tact and insight about how this works and in how other people think. THis results in the fact it's nice to be right
At least I will.
And it's nice to have some tact and insight about how this works and in how other people think. THis results in the fact it's nice to be right
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Gnome's technilogocal influence reaches FAR.
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At least as far as the isle of phoenix so I suggest that unless you want a bunch of winged rangers shooting arrows at you, you should relinquish your claim.
Gnome's technilogocal influence reaches FAR.
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At least as far as the isle of phoenix so I suggest that unless you want a bunch of winged rangers shooting arrows at you, you should relinquish your claim.
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