Rune
Once A Fool
Re: Re: IRON DM SUMMER 2003 JUDGMENT!
However, the ingredient is actually a magical item in D&D. Not only that, Nemm did have a Valhalla of sorts, just not the mythological one.
However:
Perhaps I didn't emphasize this well enough in my judgement, but I was very impressed and I thought that, if there was one ingredient in your scenario that deserved huge kudos, it was this one.
Quite so. But an ingredient may fit well without actually needing to be that ingredent within the context of the story, as long as it needs to be the ingredient within the context of the character. Your sphynx from the first submission fits. The cat, less so.
It was a Bright camel, actually.
But a wuxia cat could be interpreted in many ways, not all of them (not even most of them, perhaps) silly. Perhaps you've noticed that I'm fond of ambiguous ingredients. Furthermore, and this is the important part, a wuxia cat can suggest fantasy and/or adventure far better than could tasty pudding or a bright camel.
This was a case of giving me the rope to hang yourself with. However, I would probably have picked up on it anyway. I don't mind that it was a very unsubtle character--I mind that it was so obviously a mouthpiece of the DM--although making it disagreeable helps a bit. Also, remember, no matter how much of a genre you want to emphasize, this is not a film, and the needs of an adventure must be met in order for the players to have a good time.
Alright, fair enough. It really looked to me as if you used Asgard because of the horn and were then trying to tack on the other ingredient because it sort of fit.
Crap. I forgot to say:
seasong said:I am unhappy with this ingredient, both its inclusion and the judgement rendered on it. I know I screwed up enough things in my scenario that this doesn't really affect the judgement, which is why I call it a nitpick.
If the horn is of Valhalla, that requires that Valhalla exist. You could name any old thing Valhalla, and make a horn that is from it (which is essentially what nemmerle did), but, and this is important to me, you could have called it the Horn of Vuggrematch and nothing in the scenario would change. Or, given how it was used, you could have called it the Whatsit of Vuggrematch and nothing in the scenario would have changed.
However, the ingredient is actually a magical item in D&D. Not only that, Nemm did have a Valhalla of sorts, just not the mythological one.
However:
In order to use it properly, I took the Proper Noun that was part of it, and I made that part of the background. I think I did a smashing job with it (not only did it tie nicely into the entire mythology of the scenario, but someone had to blow on it to achieve their aims, thus justifying why it was a horn), and if there was one ingredient in my scenario that I thought deserved huge kudos, it was this one.
Perhaps I didn't emphasize this well enough in my judgement, but I was very impressed and I thought that, if there was one ingredient in your scenario that deserved huge kudos, it was this one.
This ties into the horn of Valhalla issue. If it's part of the ingredient, it should be there. I toyed with a number of other ways of handling this one, but the fact is, there's not a lot of meanings for the word 'cat'. The best alternate I could come up with was a tattoo of a cat, or a cat sculpture that provided wuxia advice (or powers)... but those worked very weakly in the scenario. So I opted, as nemmerle did, to go with a cool character instead.
Quite so. But an ingredient may fit well without actually needing to be that ingredent within the context of the story, as long as it needs to be the ingredient within the context of the character. Your sphynx from the first submission fits. The cat, less so.
This was sort of like the Awakened Camel (or whatever animal it was, I forget) that incognito did as an ingredient a long time ago. When the camel seemed silly to him later, he was disappointed in the use.
It was a Bright camel, actually.
But a wuxia cat could be interpreted in many ways, not all of them (not even most of them, perhaps) silly. Perhaps you've noticed that I'm fond of ambiguous ingredients. Furthermore, and this is the important part, a wuxia cat can suggest fantasy and/or adventure far better than could tasty pudding or a bright camel.
Yup, I think I even pointed it out in the text (as part of my stream of consciousness writing) that it was heavy-handed (I would have editted that out if I'd had time this morning to look at it - no use in giving the judge reasons to shoot you down). However, I will point out that heavy-handed plots are part and parcel to most wuxia film, with most things being overstated or made as obvious as possible, and that the wuxia cat was the only such element in my scenario
This was a case of giving me the rope to hang yourself with. However, I would probably have picked up on it anyway. I don't mind that it was a very unsubtle character--I mind that it was so obviously a mouthpiece of the DM--although making it disagreeable helps a bit. Also, remember, no matter how much of a genre you want to emphasize, this is not a film, and the needs of an adventure must be met in order for the players to have a good time.
Depends. If you'd asked me if Asgard qualified as a fairy tale land, I would have said yes. If you'd asked me what Asgard's dominant quality or descriptor was, fairy tale wouldn't have been the first word to pop to mind.
However, it is a grey area: fairy tales are not actually about fairies. Most of what we call fairy tales are Russian, and most actual tales about fairies we call Celtic Mythology. I took you to mean the word as "the cultural equivalent" - that is, the Other World for whatever culture we set things in. Since I set things in the Norse mythology, I used the Norse Other World, and I even picked the one that had dwarves and beautiful/immortal non-gods and eternal hunting and other traits in common with the Celtic Summerlands.
But I can answer your rhetorical question even better than that: I wouldn't have included Asgard if you hadn't included fairy-tale lands as an ingredient. The ingredient is what brought using it (and having Ing invade) to mind.
Alright, fair enough. It really looked to me as if you used Asgard because of the horn and were then trying to tack on the other ingredient because it sort of fit.
As I said when I posted that one, I knew I'd killed myself for round 3 when I wrote it. There's no way I'll match that again, not any time soon. If I could have saved that inspiration for last, I would have.
Crap. I forgot to say:
...and what was up with seasong's entry? Compared to his last one, it was a clumsy tour de force of literary wasteland, a dry desert devoid of the cool waters of clever allusion, decorated only with the baked camels of linear Jobsworth plots. Did he think he could ride the success of his last entry? That we would be too afraid of his staggering reputation to tear down a half-assed work? Very disappointing!