Keefe the Thief
Hero
I'm sorry but i didn't read the whole thread. Did we find out if it was time for 5e?
Is it time for 5E?
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Some said yes, some said no and some ran screaming for the hills.
Dice4Hire
First Post
And one threw a goat.
Raven Crowking
First Post
It is not time for 5e.
Those who said there would never be a 5e are dead wrong.
Goat throwing is okay, so long as no actual animals are harmed in the throwing of the goats.
Pawsplay is a funny, funny individual with too much time on his hands.
That is all.
RC
Those who said there would never be a 5e are dead wrong.
Goat throwing is okay, so long as no actual animals are harmed in the throwing of the goats.
Pawsplay is a funny, funny individual with too much time on his hands.
That is all.
RC
TarionzCousin
Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
Technically, they are correct until 5E actually appears. They aren't wrong... yet.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
Mmm, delicious goat... 
I can't decide if I should try to continue the discussion, let it fade out, or apologize for bringing the subject up in the first place.
The Essentials line of products do not constitute a new edition...but they could be a step towards one. There is a resurgence of "old school" styles of gaming happening right now. Also, simplified or "light" rules systems and play styles are becoming more numerous and more popular...this could be inconsequential, or it could be a trend. DDI is a good idea, but it isn't sustainable in its current form. Maybe I'm reading too much into all this, but it feels like the time is right.
I agree with Dice4Hire...talk of a newer edition seems to end up being "a stick to beat the current edition with." But it doesn't have to be. A new edition could be a fun and interesting topic to discuss--what it will look like, when it might happen, what could be added/removed/changed--but probably not here.
*sigh* I'm rambling. It's early, and I need coffee. Also, toast.
There will be a new edition of D&D. Not because 4E is flawed or failing; it's just how the business works. Some of us are looking forward to it, others aren't, and some don't even want to think about it.
I can't decide if I should try to continue the discussion, let it fade out, or apologize for bringing the subject up in the first place.
The Essentials line of products do not constitute a new edition...but they could be a step towards one. There is a resurgence of "old school" styles of gaming happening right now. Also, simplified or "light" rules systems and play styles are becoming more numerous and more popular...this could be inconsequential, or it could be a trend. DDI is a good idea, but it isn't sustainable in its current form. Maybe I'm reading too much into all this, but it feels like the time is right.I agree with Dice4Hire...talk of a newer edition seems to end up being "a stick to beat the current edition with." But it doesn't have to be. A new edition could be a fun and interesting topic to discuss--what it will look like, when it might happen, what could be added/removed/changed--but probably not here.
*sigh* I'm rambling. It's early, and I need coffee. Also, toast.
There will be a new edition of D&D. Not because 4E is flawed or failing; it's just how the business works. Some of us are looking forward to it, others aren't, and some don't even want to think about it.
darjr
I crit!
I have not an idea about when or if there will be a 5e. I think that they'll try the morphing of the current rules as long as possible.
I do think that both essentials and Gamma World are a bit like Bo9s and Star Wars Saga, in that some of the ideas in them are from the labs, who's residents are working on what is 'next' for D&D, whatever that is.
I do think that both essentials and Gamma World are a bit like Bo9s and Star Wars Saga, in that some of the ideas in them are from the labs, who's residents are working on what is 'next' for D&D, whatever that is.
Dungeoneer
First Post
I'll throw some oil on the fire. How about this:
5e, whenever it comes and whatever it is called, will not look anything like 3x, 2e or 0d&d. Old skool gamerz will continue to be bitterly disappointed.
With every edition there's a contingent hoping that the next one will be a return to whatever version is their favorite. But that's never happened. And it's not going to happen in the future.
Those old editions have been done. They are still being done. You have Pathfinder and retro clones and yes, your dogeared copies of the actual game.
But while releasing, let's say, the Uber Ultimate Edition of classic AD&D might garner a temporary wave of enthusiasm in the community, it's a dead-end. Once everyone who is 30+ had finished hailing D&D's return to its roots, they'd go back to raising their kids and working at their office jobs. Sales would slump as the younger gamers who actually drive them completely failed to connect with the older style of game.
Eventually D&D enthusiasts would become like model train builders - a rapidly graying group whose hobby is unlikely to be transferred to a new generation.
Model trains are kinda cool, but I don't really want to spend Saturday afternoon working on one in the basement with grandpa, you know?
D&D has to move forward and connect with new players. Its design needs to reflect what the kids are familiar with. 4e brought in a lot of CCG design and codified concepts that are familiar from MMOs. That wasn't an accident. 3e I think reflected the rise of cRPGs with their demand for more consistent rules and mechanics.
5e will also borrow from whatever the kids are playing. It will be yet another evolutionary step forward. I have no doubt that it will alienate a lot of 4e players and leave them pining for 6e, which they are sure will represent the triumphant return of whatever it is they liked about 4e (it won't). But 5e will be different, as different from 4e as 4e was from 3e, and it will make a lot of us feel old.
My point, I guess, is that people shouldn't be too quick to call for a new edition of the game. New editions are extremely unlikely to fix whatever you personally feel is wrong with the game or restore it to the style that you and your friends spent so many hours playing. And they're very likely to change things up, skewer the sacred cows, and generally make you feel like the new edition isn't what YOU would call D&D.
As 4e appears to be likely to remain with us in 2011, this might be a good time to take a deep breath and appreciate the classic elements that remain in this edition. After all, Fourth Edition still involves rolling dice, requires a DM, and can be played without the aid of a computer.
The next edition might not.
OK, I'm going to go hide under my desk and wait for people to start throwing rocks.
5e, whenever it comes and whatever it is called, will not look anything like 3x, 2e or 0d&d. Old skool gamerz will continue to be bitterly disappointed.
With every edition there's a contingent hoping that the next one will be a return to whatever version is their favorite. But that's never happened. And it's not going to happen in the future.
Those old editions have been done. They are still being done. You have Pathfinder and retro clones and yes, your dogeared copies of the actual game.
But while releasing, let's say, the Uber Ultimate Edition of classic AD&D might garner a temporary wave of enthusiasm in the community, it's a dead-end. Once everyone who is 30+ had finished hailing D&D's return to its roots, they'd go back to raising their kids and working at their office jobs. Sales would slump as the younger gamers who actually drive them completely failed to connect with the older style of game.
Eventually D&D enthusiasts would become like model train builders - a rapidly graying group whose hobby is unlikely to be transferred to a new generation.
Model trains are kinda cool, but I don't really want to spend Saturday afternoon working on one in the basement with grandpa, you know?
D&D has to move forward and connect with new players. Its design needs to reflect what the kids are familiar with. 4e brought in a lot of CCG design and codified concepts that are familiar from MMOs. That wasn't an accident. 3e I think reflected the rise of cRPGs with their demand for more consistent rules and mechanics.
5e will also borrow from whatever the kids are playing. It will be yet another evolutionary step forward. I have no doubt that it will alienate a lot of 4e players and leave them pining for 6e, which they are sure will represent the triumphant return of whatever it is they liked about 4e (it won't). But 5e will be different, as different from 4e as 4e was from 3e, and it will make a lot of us feel old.
My point, I guess, is that people shouldn't be too quick to call for a new edition of the game. New editions are extremely unlikely to fix whatever you personally feel is wrong with the game or restore it to the style that you and your friends spent so many hours playing. And they're very likely to change things up, skewer the sacred cows, and generally make you feel like the new edition isn't what YOU would call D&D.
As 4e appears to be likely to remain with us in 2011, this might be a good time to take a deep breath and appreciate the classic elements that remain in this edition. After all, Fourth Edition still involves rolling dice, requires a DM, and can be played without the aid of a computer.
The next edition might not.
OK, I'm going to go hide under my desk and wait for people to start throwing rocks.
We've progressed from the traditional (Pre 4e) rock throwing, we're throwing (Essentials/4.5e) goats.
Goat Fling
PC Attack 1
Requirement: You must be wielding a goat.
Staggering you grab the goat, lift it above your head- and fling the beast at your mortal enemy.
Standard- At Will: Range 5/10
Target: One Creature
To Hit: Strength vs AC
Damage: 2d8 + Strength damage, and target knocked Prone.
Miss: Roll on Goat Scatter Table.
Effect: Your goat is gone.
Cheers PDR
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