Is "Justiciar" the new "Rogue?"

[Zogmo]

Again, oh come on now.

That's how most real languages start out. The exceptions are Klingon and Quenya.

Oh really? Most real languages started out this way? How?

Please name just one "real language" that started out completely based on the misspelling of another language.

Evolution of languages do take place and single words do change as well as meanings over time but not entire languages starting out. That makes no sense.

 

[TheLordWinter]

Oh really? Most real languages started out this way? How?

Please name just one "real language" that started out completely based on the misspelling of another language.

Evolution of languages do take place and single words do change as well as meanings over time but not entire languages starting out. That makes no sense.

I couldn't be 100% certain, but I'm going to go out on a limb and go with Old English to Middle English, and Middle English to the more common English.

Also, is this really the right forum to get into a discussion about language and its constituent parts?

 

[Reaper Steve]

This is just like people pronouncing Blackguard as black-guard.

You lost me here... how else can it be pronounced?

 

[Fifth Element]

You lost me here... how else can it be pronounced?

Bla-guard

Or something close to that.

 

[Henry]

You lost me here... how else can it be pronounced?

Believe it or not... "blaggard." It lost me, too, the first time I heard it.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blackguard

 

[Sojorn]

Believe it or not... "blaggard." It lost me, too, the first time I heard it.

Gah!

I thought that was a different word entirely! No fair of them hiding it in a compound word like that.

Although, calling a Blackguard a, uh, blackguard makes them sound like they're more likely to steal your laundry or something.

 

[Henry]

Just because a bunch of people writing (and playing) RPG's have misspelled something and is now mispronounced it doesn't make it something worth keeping just because your used to it and it sounds cool.

The fact that I used my car to drive to the grocer and buy bread for my pantry instead of using my carre to drive to the grosser and buy bread for my panetrie might disagree with you. Most words, whether borrowed or not, will morph over time to simpler versions of the words, or at the least forms that are more regular for the culture they're used in. In fact, most languages will evolve along the lines that the common folk, or majority, use rather than a more preserved form. This applies to everything from languages, to cultural customs... to role-playing games.

 

[Zogmo]

I couldn't be 100% certain, but I'm going to go out on a limb and go with Old English to Middle English, and Middle English to the more common English.

Also, is this really the right forum to get into a discussion about language and its constituent parts?

You are right as far as a different thread and I will end here.

Hong is saying most languages START by being based on misspellings of another language. Just a bit of research online will show you that the many origins of any language are long processes of adaptations and yes misunderstandings but they do not spring into existence by being based on ignorance. Again, that's just silly.

 

[Zogmo]

The fact that I used my car to drive to the grocer and buy bread for my pantry instead of using my carre to drive to the grosser and buy bread for my panetrie might disagree with you. Most words, whether borrowed or not, will morph over time to simpler versions of the words, or at the least forms that are more regular for the culture they're used in. In fact, most languages will evolve along the lines that the common folk, or majority, use rather than a more preserved form. This applies to everything from languages, to cultural customs... to role-playing games.

You are totally correct.

But, there has to be some resistance to change in all forms of communication in the history of the planet and that includes animals and plants and how they communicate with themselves. There is a need for resistance otherwise the stability of any form of communication will spin out of control, fail very quickly and no longer function leading to catastrophic consequences. Spoken languages are very dynamic and American English is the most flexible and evolution will happen but imagine the outcome of no resistance to any change ever, in written or spoken words.

And again all the comments concerning what I originally posted are correct. But the need for resistance to change in a language is good for the society that uses it and the small evolutionary changes that come about will be well paced.

 

[breschau]

You are totally correct.

But, there has to be some resistance to change in all forms of communication in the history of the planet and that includes animals and plants and how they communicate with themselves. There is a need for resistance otherwise the stability of any form of communication will spin out of control, fail very quickly and no longer function leading to catastrophic consequences. Spoken languages are very dynamic and American English is the most flexible and evolution will happen but imagine the outcome of no resistance to any change ever, in written or spoken words.

And again all the comments concerning what I originally posted are correct. But the need for resistance to change in a language is good for the society that uses it and the small evolutionary changes that come about will be well paced.

If your viewpoint is entirely centered around your own lifetime, then sure, resistance is great. These are the rules of spelling, these are the rules of grammar, stick to 'em. Or else.

But, in the long view, the morphing of how the language is spoken versus how it is written is exactly how languages branch, new languages originate, etc. Further, when a language is forced to remain the same, i.e. not allowed to change, that's how they die. Languages are organic, they evolve over centuries. Just in my lifetime the number of words created and entering the dictionaries is staggering, plus the new definitions for existing words. If we offer pure resistance and don't allow anything in, we wouldn't have any of the following: email, cell phone, snail mail, anime, audiophile, carjacking, cross-trainer, date rape, earwitness, computer, Ebonics, emoticon, flame (in the internet forum sense), 411 (information), garden burger, ginormous, japanimation, jones (desire), Jordanesque (a la Michael Jordan), mallrats, McJob, metro-sexual, netizen, pooper-scooper, postal (as in going postal), potus, road rage, spam (annoying email), spork, swoosh (the nike logo), tagging (spray-paint graffiti), televangelist, terraform, grok, troll (internet meaning), zine, and that's just a quick google away. (Oh, yeah, there's that word too.)

Careful when you offer up resistance. You might be the target of a book like Grammar Snobs are Great Big Meanies.

If you've had any schooling at all, you'll spot the difference between what is acceptable to say (slang, etc) and what is acceptable to write in a paper. Speech versus Academic writing. Different vocab entirely. Take it a few steps further and think of the King James Bible. Thee's and thou's.