Is OSRIC the new in print "defacto" D&D?

[jdrakeh]

Double post.

 

[jdrakeh]

If so, that strikes me as pretty impressive. And, I'd be wondering why that one, and (AFAIK) not others.

For additional fees, Lulu provides distribution through B&N and Amazon. I think that Dan Proctor has paid for these services, while other retro-clone publishers have not.

 

[Nikosandros]

For additional fees, Lulu provides distribution through B&N and Amazon. I think that Dan Proctor has paid for these services, while other retro-clone publishers have not.

Dan is putting a lot of effort in the project. LL has already been translated into German and work on the Italian version should begin soon.

 

[Mark]

I think there are a few key differences.

First, remember Gary was an insurance agent. He became a cobbler to make ends meet for his family because he was investing his life and time into the game. By taking that act, Gary crossed over from a hobbyist to an entrepreneur. He DID quit his job.

People today forget the fact that TSR got as big as it did because of the investments of time, capital, and sweat. The fans alone did not grow D&D. They are a big part of it, but as they grew in size TSR had the capacity to find more ways to distribute the game to the masses--getting bookstore deals, finding better artists and production values and they got more money, etc. Gary (and some of the other early writers) also had a sort of charismatic thing going in his writing that affected fans. And it also hit a cultural zeitgeist that has yet to be repeated.

I don't believe the old school gaming movement, while being significant, is going to be very big. Even if it follows open source philosophy, it's already fractured. Technically, there are already half a dozen clones or variants of the core D&D/AD&D base. And the business factor is a big key to growing things--most of the arguments to put OSRIC in bookstores feel more like "religious advocacy" perspectives.

Right now I think the old school movement is rising because of two things--gamers who were teens or pre-teens during the rise of D&D reaching middle age, and the fact that WoTC really went a too radical with their new version of D&D. (I'm really surprised WoTC hasn't decided to go after this market--although whether they are qualified to do so is another question, a lot of the staff old-schoolers trust have scattered to the four winds).

Good stuff, JRT. I'd add two things. First, that I think WW's Vampire might have a claim at similarly having tepped into a vein of cultural zeitgeist in its day. Second, I think the retro movement would have split more vigorously years ago if not for the efforts of Necro and Goodman to cutivate a feeling of Classic/Old-School feel as an overlay for the 3.XE ruleset. I think WotC's abandonment of the OGL has accelerated a process already in motion.

 

[xechnao]

Right now I think the old school movement is rising because of two things--gamers who were teens or pre-teens during the rise of D&D reaching middle age, and the fact that WoTC really went a too radical with their new version of D&D. (I'm really surprised WoTC hasn't decided to go after this market--although whether they are qualified to do so is another question, a lot of the staff old-schoolers trust have scattered to the four winds).

It is not just a nostalgia thing. It is mostly that these games play differently and people find their gameplay more suited to their needs. Ie faster gameplay and what have you. I think.

 

[Aus_Snow]

For additional fees, Lulu provides distribution through B&N and Amazon. I think that Dan Proctor has paid for these services, while other retro-clone publishers have not.

Ah. Just shows how much I know [knew] about B&N, Lulu, etc.

Still, I suppose it suggests confidence, at the very least. And that's not likely to be a bad sign.

 

[doctorhook]

As far as I'm concerned, "D&D" encompasses the whole tree of different branches of growth. Personally speaking, I consider the current "de facto D&D" to be 4E; what I consider down at the roots is "Gygaxianism" and "old-style FRP gaming" -- but it's all a part of the D&D tree to me.

4E just happens to be where the fruit is currently growing.