Is the D&D fanbase too divided?

[Desdichado]

That's a personal attack. I fail to see why you have resorted to attacking me personally.

It is, you say? I thought I was merely pointing out the irony of you talking about D&D being too divided, and then blanketly insulting folks who like to play differently than you, or who like Eberron.

But far be it from me to stand in the way of your trolling. You've been doing quite a good job so far.

 

[Mort]

Sorry, that doesn't fly and never had. It's a tired new age and stupid cliche right up there with feminist gendercide claims, alien gods, the glass ceiling, addiction to MMORPGs, global warming hysteria, and The Da Vinci Code. I like roleplaying with books that discuss roleplaying; nothing in that is going to detract from the millions of video games available for those that don't like roleplaying.



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So now your saying it's badwrongfun if someone doesn't roleplay to your specifications or if people like crunch over fluff or if they like a setting you don't like?

Perhaps the secret to a "better gaming atmosphere" is a little compromise?

 

[Mallus]

All of which occur within a social environment. You seem to have forgotten a hard fact: D&D is a SOCIAL GAME not a Dorito eating contest or a game of craps.
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I don't have any problems in the 'social environments' I play in.

I've got a good bunch of mates. But I seriously doubt better splatbooks from WotC would change things if I didn't...

And you seem to have forgotten that people on the Internet like to yell at each other for no real reason. No, wait, you haven't.

 

[LordofIllusions]

While I don't agree with the statement my real question is this is: so?

Don't ask me. Ask the other poster why he/she held it up as the pinnacle of creativity.

Yeah. It was. I love that setting and would love to see more of it.

So would I, but not if it is being written by WotC.

And here is where you lose me. What made Ravenloft so different in this aspect? Why can't we have Deep Imersion in any other settings? How close to Ravenloft do we have to be to have the Deep Imersion?

You mean what made 2E different? The Ravenloft thing was simply an example because I ran Ravenloft in 2E.

The difference between 2E and 3E is the focus on roleplaying in the former and mechanics in the latter.

Then I want to congratulate your Ravenloft DM (or you - if you were the Ravenloft DM) on having a spectacular Ravenloft game because this is a DM issue as opposed to a setting issue.

Why can't these same conversations with NPCs happen in Greyhawk or Birthright or Forgotten Realms or Eberron or Exalted? Why can't we have the same Deep Imersion that we have when being hunted by a vampire when we are having fights with near-god-like powers?

Why can't we have the exact same coversations this weekend in 3.X that we did ten years ago in 2e?

You can if the social interaction of the game is focused upon as opposed to focusing on the new book full of feats that just came out.

The deepness of the immersion of the roleplaying has absolutely nothing to do with the books or the setting or the rules. It has nothing to do with skills or feats or filling in little dots. It has absolutely nothing to with what is on the character sheet or even if there is a character sheet as all. It has everything to do with a bunch of people getting along with their DM or GM or Storyteller or what-have-you and having an absolute blast. If the person who set up the game knows what they are doing and the other players are playing the same style as the person behind the screen - then there will deep immersion roleplaying. That is all that is required.

So it is just as easy to roleplay within a bland game as it is to roleplay within one that has so much flavor that the setting and characters therein actually spring from the pages or from behind the screen? If you say it is you are lying just to win an argument.

The settings are the portrait the characters are painted upon if the characters have nothing to interact with except rules the characters become mechanical and you get 'builds' as opposed to 'characters.'

If no one wants deep imersion roleplaying - then who cares? If the above is true they will have a blast. That is all that matters.

See above.

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[LordofIllusions]

It is, you say? I thought I was merely pointing out the irony of you talking about D&D being too divided, and then blanketly insulting folks who like to play differently than you, or who like Eberron.

But far be it from me to stand in the way of your trolling. You've been doing quite a good job so far.

I like how you paint arguments that don't agree with your opinion as 'trolling.'

Especially when you were just called on a personal attack.

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[Mallus]

It's a tired new age and stupid cliche right up there with feminist gendercide claims, alien gods, the glass ceiling, addiction to MMORPGs, global warming hysteria, and The Da Vinci Code.
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Oops. I missed this. Nice list. But isn't it about time you clocked back in under your bridge?

 

[LordofIllusions]

So now your saying it's badwrongfun if someone doesn't roleplay to your specifications or if people like crunch over fluff or if they like a setting you don't like?

Perhaps the secret to a "better gaming atmosphere" is a little compromise?

No I said: "Originally Posted by LordofIllusions
Sorry, that doesn't fly and never had. It's a tired new age and stupid cliche right up there with feminist gendercide claims, alien gods, the glass ceiling, addiction to MMORPGs, global warming hysteria, and The Da Vinci Code. I like roleplaying with books that discuss roleplaying; nothing in that is going to detract from the millions of video games available for those that don't like roleplaying."

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[BryonD]

So it is just as easy to roleplay within a bland game as it is to roleplay within one that has so much flavor that the setting and characters therein actually spring from the pages or from behind the screen? If you say it is you are lying just to win an argument.~~~

It is.
And if you say it isn't then you are tricking yourself just to make believe you are winning an arguement.

Quite simply, if you are trapped looking for flavor between the covers of a book, then you will be very limited. If you look to yourself then the world is wide open.

 

[Rel]

Moderator note: In the spirit of unity, some people in this thread should try being less shrill and some should try not attacking those who are being so shrill.

 

[LordofIllusions]

Oops. I missed this. Nice list. But isn't it about time you clocked back in under your bridge?

Mallus,

At least try to stay on topic.

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