D&D (2024) It goes to show you can't please everbody!

[Micah Sweet]

This is why we need players to not be so desperate to play "Official Dungeons & Dragons Products". So they can find all the bells and whistles they want through 3rd Party designers and bring those things into their D&D games to give them exactly what they want-- and not get so bothered that Wizards of the Coast didn't make it. Especially considering even when WotC does make stuff people get all pissed off about how they did it.

To me, that's the thing I ultimately find amusing-- players who constantly want WotC to create all these "official" rules and things, but then hate the results and constantly complain about them when they do. See: all the Dragonlance threads.

The only official WotC things I've ever really cared about are settings. Unfortunately, I care about those too much...

 

[Micah Sweet]

I agree with GM. I’m tired of being told that 3pp is the answer to fixing a busted system. I don’t want to buy six extra books to make my core 5E books work at a basic level. They should work on their own. Complete game in one set and all that. I want WotC to put out a good, functional, complete game. I get that there’s an industry popped up around WotC’s failings, and good for the 3pp for doing what they can to bandaid 5E, there’s no fault or blame directed at them, the problem is entirely WotC. But let’s stop pretending that there’s no problems with 5E.

I actually treat WotC as 3pp at this point. My base game is Level Up, and if there's something in WotC that I like, I adapt it or use it straight as appropriate.

The only issue, as I've mentioned, is settings. WotC's take on their own IP tends to infect 3pp on the same subject.

 

[practicalm]

Where do I sign up to bring back weapon speed modifiers?
Such a great and crazy table.
Or go full Rolemaster and a weapon chart for each weapon indexing the target armor type.

(I know someone is going to say it so, I'm beating them to the punch. You never go full Rolemaster.)

 

[leozg]

I found this quite amusing--two threads which appeared right next to each other when I looked. Minigiant wants more armors, while Horwath wants fewer.

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It's not getting better.

 

[phuong]

Its almost like people get a little bored if their games aren't constantly evolving. RIP Pubg.

 

[MockingBird]

I agree with GM. I’m tired of being told that 3pp is the answer to fixing a busted system. I don’t want to buy six extra books to make my core 5E books work at a basic level. They should work on their own. Complete game in one set and all that. I want WotC to put out a good, functional, complete game. I get that there’s an industry popped up around WotC’s failings, and good for the 3pp for doing what they can to bandaid 5E, there’s no fault or blame directed at them, the problem is entirely WotC. But let’s stop pretending that there’s no problems with 5E.

To some of us 5e works just fine. I wouldn't call it "busted". For me at least the game works right out of the box.

 

[tetrasodium]

To some of us 5e works just fine. I wouldn't call it "busted". For me at least the game works right out of the box.

Lots of things can be said to "work"

Spoiler: Fine is more complicated

 

[Thomas Shey]

I'm not even sure its true. Green Ronin has been perfectly happy for people to produce 3PP M&M support materials, for example. I don't notice Pinnacle being exactly hostile to 3PP Savage Worlds material, either.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I don't know what is offensive. I have not said those 3pp are not good (I hear lots of good about some of them) I am saying that when people CONSTANTLY use "You should buy 3pp" as the hammer when people say "I would like to see this changed" (Especially now mid playtest of updated rules, and I still see it in playtest threads) when no other company that I know of gets the same.

I don't dislike Mongoose, or Enworld publishing, I just don't see why EVERY discussion of change to WotC D&D needs to be hit with "Just spend your money elsewhere".

I DO spend my money else where... on COMPLETLY different games. Long ago me and my group stopped spending on player facing 3pp (and that is just the way we do things) we still house rule, we still glance at free stuff... but if we spend time and money on a non D&D product it is 80-90% of the time not d20 at all.

While I'm not a fan of it as an ongoing excuse for writing off system problems, sometimes you like almost everything about a system but one area, and you'd rather patch the one area than go to a whole new system. And this is from someone who's not at all allergic to hop systems.

 

[Neonchameleon]

I found this quite amusing--two threads which appeared right next to each other when I looked. Minigiant wants more armors, while Horwath wants fewer.

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I've not read the threads - but I'm in favour of both.

1. I've yet to see anyone wear padded, leather, ringmail, or splint and hide is almost redundant. All of these could IME easily be removed with no loss
2. This doesn't prevent me adding armours - in particular medium and light armour that don't add dex bonuses so we don't have almost every PC with Dex 14+