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Jackie Chan Quits...

JoeGKushner said:
Let's see... Jet Lee and my reaction to him.

Leathal Weapon 4: Alright, this guy is awesome. Need to get him in some other films.

The One: Popcorn movie but not my type. M'eh.

Kiss Of the Dragon: If they edited out the ugly girl playing the doped up hooker, this might've been a very solid movie but as it stands, one of the worst movies I've seen.

Hero: I enjoyed it. Lots of great fighting sequences and I'm afraid I'm very insensitive to the PC stuff going on as I neither know about it or spend nights awake worrying about the Chineese government.

Craddle 2 the Grave: Amusing but why does he let a known criminal walk away? Why is he 'surprised' by DMX when he's beaten senseless so many other people? (Same problem in Exit Wounds)

Unleashed: Pretty good popcorn flick. Probably my favorite 'western' movie of his.

Haven't seen any of his 'Once Upon A Time In China' films though.

So basically you havent seen any of his good films then...

The only Once Upon A Time in China movies that matter are 1 & 2. Skip the rest. 2 is a little slow around the middle but is worth it for the fight between Jet Li and Donny Yen alone.

Tai-Chi Master (Us title: Twin Warriors) is pretty awesome as well.

Fist of Legend which is basically a remake of Fists of Fury is blow for blow probably his most action packed movie.

The two Fong Sai Yuk movies (US titles: The Legend and The Legend 2) are pretty funny and fairly action packed as well.

I'm certain that there are more good movies of his that I'm forgetting to mention though.
 

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JoeGKushner said:
Let's see... Jet Lee and my reaction to him.

Leathal Weapon 4: Alright, this guy is awesome. Need to get him in some other films.
It's his first US appearance in a Hollywood film, and the first I've seen his performance. Not bad, but the film overall stank.
 

Rackhir said:
I really wish he had chosen something other than yet another "Evil Foriegners out to humiliate and destroy the Noble Chinese" film for his last Martial Arts flick.

I wish he would have gone out on something original, too. Isn't this the plot of, like, half of his period kung-fu films? :\
 


Flexor the Mighty! said:
We make movies about evil foreigners out to destroy America, why wouldn't it be the same over there? I liked Hero a lot. It was a fun movie.

Well "Hero" wasn't the film we were talking about, but obsessing over past grievences was a significant factor leading to WWI, WWII, the Korean War, the Arab-Israeli wars, The Balkan's conflicts, Genocide in Rwanda and numerous other conflicts in the recorded history of mankind.

It's not something I lay awake at night worrying about, but it does make me nervous for the long term. China is going to be a great power one day, not too long from now, short of a complete societal collapse. Given the increasing tenousness of the Communist Party's historical justifications for staying in power, it's all too easy to see them turning to rabid aggressive nationalism to deflect the population's discontent and anger. It's not like they'd be the first to do so.
 

"Evil foreigners" never go out of style. Nor do they remain the same group as you move from country to country.

This thread reminds me that I have to buy "Drunken Master 2". And possibly "Rumble in Vancouver". Or is it the Bronx...
 

Ranger REG said:
Meh. I can forgive that (like The Magnificent Seven is a western adaptation of Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai). It's when Leonardo starts doing gun-fu moves would I definitely invoke great disappointment.

Actually, not all HK movies have gun-fu in them. The original had a whole lot of tension (one of the most gripping movies I've ever seen), but almost no action...
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
We make movies about evil foreigners out to destroy America, why wouldn't it be the same over there?

I was thinking the same thing, however, it is a little different with some of these movies. I can overlook the evil guy who happens to be foreign or villains who represent a foreign government or group (like, say, The Russian Mob). The problem I have is when many different people from very different countries are all portrayed as being evil for no apparent reason.

For example, in Master of the Flying Guillotine, there is a martial arts contest with people from around the world (India, Thailand, Japan, etc) competing. When the villain shows up and seeks assitance in killing the hero, all the foreign fighters join him. There's no reason for this. After all, they are just fighters in a competition. They'll gladly kill someone because, well, they are evil foreigners.

Anyway, back to Fearless. It looks to be an incredibly fictionalized account of this guy's life. According to Wikipedia (don't read its entry unless you want spoilers), the film is about "The Foreign Chambers of Commerce" efforts to humiliate the hero, Huo Yuanjia, as a way to degrade the Chinese, so they set him up in a series of fights against a British boxer, a German spear fighter, a Spanish fencer, and a Japanese fighter. Also, earlier in the film, the hero fights an American wrestler named "Hercules O'Brien" who insults the Chinese by calling them the "sick men of the East" (whatever that means).

The life of the person it's based on seems to be very different. First, it was a Russian wrestler who insulted the Chinese. Huo Yuanjia never actually fights the guy, who backs down and claims it was just pro wrestling theatrics. If the wrestler was Russian, who was Hercules O'Brien? He was a British Boxer. Huo Yuanjia never actually fought him either (they were trying to work out the rules and O'Brien eventually left the country). He did fight and defeat 10 members of the Japanese Judo team, though.

I guess the filmmakers decided that fights with American, German, and Spanish guys was more exciting than scenes of Huo Yuanjia and Hercules O'Brien hammering out rules to a fight that eventually never happens. :)
 
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Mallus said:
"Evil foreigners" never go out of style. Nor do they remain the same group as you move from country to country.
Yes indeed. Complaining that another country does it is... silly.
 

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