D&D (2024) Jeremy Crawford: “We are releasing new editions of the books”

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Did 2e take any kind of hit in sales? I was under the impression that 2e did well?
Ben Riggs revealed a lot of sales data in his book Slaying the Dragon, but iirc 2e sold well it's first year but never sold particularly well after that. I think it sold under 200k copies per year, while 1e had several years where it sold over 400k copies. That's likely why TSR went into campaign setting mode and started cranking out settings hoping that would bring in new customers. We know how that ended sadly.
 

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mamba

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Backwards = backwards, so I can draw a conclusion about what they said about compatibility.
no, they simply never said anything about compatibility of 2014 rules with 2024 adventures. There is nothing to draw conclusions from.

And you keep ignoring this quote that proves that it's not forward compatible.
tells me nothing about adventures either

Also, it feels like my quotes contradict yours, and even when they do not, they still very much say you can play 2014 chars alongside 2024 chars. Why would that be limited to 2014 adventures and not also be true for 2024 adventures?
 

mamba

Legend
That's not a very ringing endorsement. I mean, I could play a 3.5 wizard using 3.5 spells in 5e and the game would still work.
yeah, this is ridiculous, you do you, but I am out

Are you seriously arguing you can mix 3e and 5e in a game and be fine, but 5e in a 2024 adventure is a problem and not compatible? …

Sure. Again, that they aren't changing the number doesn't mean that the CR level didn't change. It only means that they didn't change the number.
no, that is precisely what it means. See the ‘you can use either version of the monster’ bit

You are misrepresenting what they say to cling to your incompatibility fairy tale
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Because after 10 years they see some rough patches and want to update them, while still using the same core rule and being compatible with all of the 5e books and adventures they have already released. D&D naming conventions have never been consistant for 50 years. What ever name they choose will cause some confusion, because they have never used the same system twice.

Honestly just sticking with 5e is probably going to cause the least amount of confusion of any name they could choose. Calling it 5.5, or 6e, or what ever else they could come up with, would actually cause more confusion and lead people to believe that the old 5e adventures are not compatible with the new version.
How is 5.5e more confusing about compatibility with 5e than One D&D which makes no reference to 5e at all?
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Are you seriously arguing you can mix 3e and 5e in a game and be fine, but 5e in a 2024 adventure is a problem and not compatible? …
No, that's not what I said at all. Like not even close. You've manage to come up with just about the complete opposite of my point.
 

mamba

Legend
"In some cases, you might find an older Subclass doesn’t fully work with the features in the playtest version of a Class. If we publish the new version of the Class, we’ll resolve that discrepancy."

They've said with this quote that it's not forward compatible.
notice the ‘in the playtest’ and ‘we’ll resolve that’ parts….
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
no, that is precisely what it means. See the ‘you can use either version of the monster’ bit
So this is an argument that a single orc as currently written becomes CR 15(a challenge for a 15th level group) if they write a CR 15 into the stat block. Just keeping the CR the same number and then altering the power level of the monster does not a same CR make.

My position, as backed up factually by every edition WotC has made, is that they are incapable of accurately judging CR. Just because they leave a CR 15 with a monster that they've changed, does not mean that it has the same power level as it had in the 2014 rules.
 


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