Juggernaut..resurrected?

[hong]

Wow, this thread is fun reading.

Now where's hong when you need 'im?

Sorry, I've been busy. You guys have a good time now, you hear?

 

[Hypersmurf]

No, since you can't raise an unwilling creature. If they are not willing, the spell simply doesn't work. If they are willing, then they can choose to lower their spell resistance.

Assuming you can take actions while dead.

You couldn't in 3E (since dead creatures had the dying condition, and dying characters cannot take any actions).

Unfortunately, in 3.5 they changed the definition of 'dying', so there's now nothing explicitly preventing dead characters from taking actions.

So in theory, yeah, in 3.5 someone with SR who's also dead can lower it to be Raised.

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

Assuming you can take actions while dead.

You couldn't in 3E (since dead creatures had the dying condition, and dying characters cannot take any actions).

Unfortunately, in 3.5 they changed the definition of 'dying', so there's now nothing explicitly preventing dead characters from taking actions.

So in theory, yeah, in 3.5 someone with SR who's also dead can lower it to be Raised.

-Hyp.

So you picked apart my arguement just to agree with me?

What exactly is your point?

 

[Hypersmurf]

So you picked apart my arguement just to agree with me?

What exactly is your point?

Well, "dead people can take actions" leads to other arguments like "So why do I have to stop directing my Flaming Sphere just because I'm dead? I wanna burn the goblin with the crossbow!"

-Hyp.

 

[Caliban]

Well, "dead people can take actions" leads to other arguments like "So why do I have to stop directing my Flaming Sphere just because I'm dead? I wanna burn the goblin with the crossbow!"

-Hyp.

If you actually have problems with players making arguements like that, you need a better quality of players.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If you actually have problems with players making arguements like that, you need a better quality of players.

Why should someone dead be capable of taking a standard action on his turn to drop his SR for a Raise Dead he doesn't know is coming?

What makes that action different from any other action?

-Hyp.

 

[Egres]

On a side note,i would ask you (especially those of you that would treat dead creatures as creatures): what would be a dead creature Str score?

 

[Caliban]

On a side note,i would ask you (especially those of you that would treat dead creatures as creatures): what would be a dead creature Str score?

All stats would effectively be 0, unless you are in contact with their soul. Then the mental stats would still be in effect.

 

[Caliban]

Why should someone dead be capable of taking a standard action on his turn to drop his SR for a Raise Dead he doesn't know is coming?

What makes that action different from any other action?

-Hyp.

The fact that you are using magic to contact them after they have died, obviously.

They know what's happening, or they wouldn't have a choice about coming back.

 

[Egres]

All stats would effectively be 0, unless you are in contact with their soul. Then the mental stats would still be in effect.

Help me Caliban:if you say that the Str score would be 0,the dead creature would no longer qualify for the Power Attack feat,isn't it?

And then it would lose access to the Juggernaut PrC, that requires the Power Attack feat as a prerequisite.

And then the dead (now only a) Warforged would lose its Healing Immunity class feature,and then we would have no problem resurrecting it.

Did i miss something?