Jump while withdrawing?

[Infiniti2000]

So are you saying you want jumping to be a seperate move-eq. action on it's own, or that you want the ability to open a door as part of a movement?

No, I'm saying that withdrawing is not taking a move action. To jump, you must be taking a move action (specifically movement) to which the jump is a part. You cannot take a move action while withdrawing, whether it's moving or opening a door, or anything else, so therefore you cannot jump while withdrawing.

Is it crazy to allow jumping while withdrawing? No, it's not. Go for it.

This is just another 'movement' debate, to which there's no end. You need to decide if movement is the key word in the Jump skill or Move Action is. Movement itself has no clear definition in the rules, so be wary of what you decide to use for a term as you will end up being inconsistent later.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Withdrawing is movement. Jumping can be done when taking movement. Your taking movement when you withdraw. You can jump when you withdraw. Seems pretty logical to me.

More like:

Withdrawing is a full round action. Jumping can be done as part of a move action. Your taking a full round action when you withdraw. You can jump as part of a move action.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Can I Jump as part of a Move Action when I open a door?

Move Action (Open Door + Jump through) + Move Action (30' Move further into the room)

 

[TYPO5478]

Can I Jump as part of a Move Action when I open a door?

Move Action (Open Door + Jump through) + Move Action (30' Move further into the room)

No, because opening a door is not movement, despite being a Move Action. There are plenty of Move Actions that don't involve "movement" (here defined (by me) as "physically covering a distance greater than 5 feet of your own volition.").

You could, however, attach the jump to the Movement Move Action following the Open Door Move Action (although you'd still have to move 20 feet through the door to avoid increasing the DC).

Jump (and Tumble, for that matter) seems to have two specific criteria for performance: (1) You must be taking a Move Action, and (2) that Move Action must be Move.

 

[Infiniti2000]

But, a 5ft-step is movement. So, I can Jump as part of a 5ft-step, right? Take a full attack and then broad jump Jump 10ft back as part of my 5ft-step.

Of course, your response will be "no, because a 5ft-step is not a move action", but then you're rejecting outright your own claim on Jumping as part of a full round action.

There's a few weird cases when you try to use a loose definition of movement. You won't break anything by allowing this, but beware such inconsistencies crop up. I can't remember the others off the top of my head (huge headache right now, sorry).

 

[Stalker0]

But, a 5ft-step is movement. So, I can Jump as part of a 5ft-step, right? Take a full attack and then broad jump Jump 10ft back as part of my 5ft-step.

Of course, your response will be "no, because a 5ft-step is not a move action", but then you're rejecting outright your own claim on Jumping as part of a full round action.

Actually my response would be, "no, because you are limited to the amount of movement your allowed to make. Since a 5 ft step is what your taking, you only jump 5 ft. If you want to jump more, the jump will finish on the next turn."

 

[Hypersmurf]

But, a 5ft-step is movement. So, I can Jump as part of a 5ft-step, right? Take a full attack and then broad jump Jump 10ft back as part of my 5ft-step.

If you did, remember, you'd pause in mid-air at the five-foot mark, until your next action... at which point you'd be required to use a move action to complete it.

If you run out of movement mid-jump, your next action (either on this turn or, if necessary, on your next turn) must be a move action to complete the jump.

-Hyp.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Since you can jump while charging, you can presumably jump while withdrawing. (Both being full round actions which involve movement.)

Since no one has responded to this obviously correct analysis, I thought I'd quote it.

 

[Kieperr]

Charge and Withdraw are both full round actions. A jump check is made as part of a move action to move. You cannot jump during a charge or a withdrawal as you are not using a move action to move.

As for jumping on a 5 foot step, I would say no. A 5 foot step is not a move action and does not count as movement.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A jump check is made as part of a move action to move. You cannot jump during a charge or a withdrawal as you are not using a move action to move.

Indeed, the first part of the Benefit section of the Leap Attack feat is "You can combine a jump with a charge against an opponent". If you could do that anyway, it wouldn't need to be stated as a benefit.

Although interestingly, it goes on to state "This attack must follow all the normal rules for using the Jump skill", which one would think would include taking a move action. Presumably, it means "This attack must follow all the normal rules for using the Jump skill, except that one."

-Hyp.