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D&D 5E Just a thought about prestige classes.
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Can I join the Others faction just by declaring membership, or do I take a level in the Others prestige class? Either way, I am one of the Others.
You are 18th level here, so clearly your style is within Enworld's allowed parameters; of course, Enworld also provides the Ignore option, as a Reaction, for those who prefer not to grow Thicker Skin.
I hate WoW-style tabletop gaming. To promote other ways of pretending to be make-believe elves, I've been questioning what Prestige Classes have looked like, or would look like, in mythic and modern written fiction. I've received a thoughtful answer. Could becoming a King involve learning new abilities? Maybe; it's an idea someone might use. If all you have to say is variations on "I hate WoW-style tabletop gaming", then put that in your signature, and you've made your entire point, while the rest of us are trying to be useful to each other.
steeldragons
Steeliest of the dragons
Oh?
Pretty sure you need a level, then a feat, then multiclass into it.
There's always that too.
I've had nothing to say about your query, nor the answer you received to it. I'm pursuing a completely different line of conversation. Happens. I don't understand where you're coming from with this, but I generally try to be "useful" in my postings, expressing/explaining things clearly, whatever the topic.
TwoSix
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Prestige classes exist as a narrative justification for the ability to exchange "Mechanical Doodad A" with "Class Doodad B". As long as they're providing me with new Mechanical Doodads and an explanation of how to replace them, I don't care if they call them prestige classes, archetypes, alternative class features, or feats.
Only a handful of people, in this entire thread, have mentioned subclasses. I find that kind of odd, considering it seems that's where all the prestige classes have actually gone. Blackguard? Oathbreaker paladin. Shadowdancer? Way of Shadow Monk. Eldritch Knight? Fighter subclass. Assassin? Arcane Trickster? Rogue subclasses of same names. Dragon disciple? Pretty much the dragon sorcerer subclass. Same with hellfire-to-fiend warlock.
Mystic Theurge can work as a cleric or wizard subclass - personally, I'd go with cleric, since the whole Magic domain is a thing with gods like Mystra. Loremaster can be a wizard subclass. Arcane Archer could work as an Eldrtich Knight with different level abilities, but same spell progression (truthfully, the level abilities of the E.K just disappoint me!)
And that's all the big ones I can think of.
I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, too. Subclasses are specialization options on the main class. Prestige classes were made as a customization method of specialization. They both fit the same design space, when you get right down to it. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
Mystic Theurge can work as a cleric or wizard subclass - personally, I'd go with cleric, since the whole Magic domain is a thing with gods like Mystra. Loremaster can be a wizard subclass. Arcane Archer could work as an Eldrtich Knight with different level abilities, but same spell progression (truthfully, the level abilities of the E.K just disappoint me!)
And that's all the big ones I can think of.
I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, too. Subclasses are specialization options on the main class. Prestige classes were made as a customization method of specialization. They both fit the same design space, when you get right down to it. Or, at least, that's my opinion.
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In my head, I'm still working on that project where I convert a bunch of old prestige classes into feats. I don't think I ever got past Mindbender.
GMforPowergamers
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sub classes work great for some and horrid for others, If we had a few more subclasses on the horizon I might feel better about it. I also think some of them as feats may work...
GMforPowergamers
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if you do battle captain, bladesinger, or soul knife I would really love to see them. If on the other hand you do any of the spell caster ones like master specialist (begging to be a feat) I think you need to applu to wotc
I agree almost 100 %. Except for mystic theurge that is.
En 3E the mystic theurge was created because multiclassing cleric/wizard sucked.
In 5E they have fixed the multiclasss-problem, so just skip the mystic theurge and multiclass cleric/wizard instead.
I'm sorry, but if hybrids like the mystic theurge were supposed to work like that, then we wouldn't have gotten the Eldrtich Knight or Arcane Trickster subclasses - because that's all they are. Wizard - Fighter and Wizard - Rogue prestige classes turned into 5e subclasses. By your logic, you shouldn't need a subclass for these combinations - just go one level fighter/rogue, one level wizard, repeat.
5e multiclassing isn't designed to handle hybrid combinations very well. Not with how level progression and the tiers of play work. Especailly with non-caster characters - no stacking of extra attacks is a huge loss, and a (for example) Paladin 6/Fighter 5 will be distinctly weaker than their single class counterparts at the same character level - fighter would have third attack, paladin Improved Smite, a fighter / paladin gets nothing. Casters have a similiar issue - their level 3, 6, and 9 spell lists are huge jumps in power. A fireball cast as a level 9 spell is no match for a meteor swarm. A chromatic sphere cast as a level 6 spell has nothing on disintegrate. Even something as casting flaming sphere as a level 3 spell is embarrassing compared to casting a fireball, and that's just a 1 level difference.
There's some stuff you can do well with multiclass rules. Hybrid leveling? Not one of them.
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