Just how broken is it? Polymorph Any Object

I have seen it used in game to change a horse to a griffon, both can be riding animals, which is what the character wanted, a flying mount.

Don't think it can be used to raise dead though, have to agree with everyone else on that one. Changing a creature into another creature is fine, but bringing something back to life? I don't think so.
 

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Odd. The PHB and my copy of the SRD say that it will take on the Intelligence of the new form, and that if it currently lacks a Charisma or Wisdom score it will gain those as appropriate to the new form as well.

"Any Object" indicates the target gains the new forms INT, CHA and WIS (not sure how I saw INT yesterday, but missed CHA and WIS right after).

As far as physical stats are concerned, it says that it works like Polymorph, meaning that it will have typical physical stats for the new creature. No mention of a 5 that I can see.

I'm not sure where the "physical stat" issue came from, as this is consistent across the polymorph spells. So we should get an Efreet with standard Efreet stats across the board, physical and mental, using Polymorph Any Object.

Now if I wanted to argue that I can take pieces of a creature, turn it into the whole thing, and create new souls in the process, most DM's would cast their full vote for a Dispel BS on that whole idea. Mortals, no matter how skilled or clever, shouldn't be able to create souls.

Someone suggested that a dead creature is no longer in the same general category (Animal/Vegetable/Mineral) as the living one. If I, as a player, tried to argue in favor of that because it gave me an advantage, would anyone here agree with me, or is that another Dispel BS ?

The examples in Polymorph Any Object are pretty clear indicators that "dead thing" is not in the same category as "living thing". "Lizard to Manticore" is rated a 5, which can only be "same kingdom" and nothing else. "Sheep to wool coat" is rated 6, which cannot include "same Kingdom". It's got lower INT, Similar, and (I assume) Same Size.

I could reasonably rule that it cannot Polymorph something into an Outsider, as that type is not included in the Polymorph spell, nor does the Polymorph Any Object spell include any examples where the target or the new form is of a prohibited type. It is clearly restricted from adding magical properties, affecting magic items or creating items of value or having special properties. The Polymmorph restrictions on special abilities, and on not affecting gaseous or incorporeal, creatures also appear to remain in effect, so maybe the types are also restricted in accordance with the Polymorph spell. However, some restrictions are clearly lifted (it must be possible for the new form to have more HD than the old form, as inanimate objects generally lack HD).

In fairness, I think that most people would classify a T-Bone steak as being in the Animal kingdom, just as the cow it came from was.

If a sheep and a wool coat are not in the same kingom, I don't believe the steak and the cow are either.

Would the reformed Efreet be the same "person" as the old? That's a real good point. If I tried that on an Adventurer, I could easily see someone saying, "Well, it's a person, same race as your dead friend, even looks like him, but all the spell does is give the race, not the levels."

I think we have consensus you cannot create or duplicate a specific creature with Polymorph Other.

Trying to use any version of Polymorph to create a leveled character should be a no-go, no matter what you started with as raw material.

Whether the new creature would retain any memories at all would be strictly up to the DM. I imagine that most would allow them language and enough memory to be a "person", rather than acting like a newborn, but more than that would come under the "at and for the DM's convenience". As in, "Plot device".

I think this would work much like INT, CHA and WIS. If the target had an existing mind, that mind transfers over. If not, you get a typical example of the creature in this regard, same as its WIS and CHA.

So thanks. Good points, and good ways to prevent abuse of the spell without seeming vindictive or adversarial.

Given some comments I've seen when the actual words of the spell description are read and reasonably applied, I would not bet against being perceived as vindictive or adversarial. Hopefully, your players are more reasonable than that.
 

In the classic game, "20 questions", from whence comes the "Animal, Vegetable or Mineral" distinction, leaves on the ground are considered "Vegetable", as is a Zucini, even though they are a dead part of what was once a whole, live plant. Similarly, a steak is considered "Animal", even though it's clearly dead.

The Kingdom category presumes that pretty much everything falls into one of those categories. For D&D I'd have to add another category or two for "energy" and "magic". But by the classic definitions, dead Efreet parts would be in the same Kingdom as a live Efreet.

But the point hardly matters.

And for the record, I'm not the DM in this situation. I'm the player of the character with Polymorph Any Object available. Mine is also the character who really wanted to avoid unnecessary killing.

So the limitations I was looking to justify were the limitations on my own character's abilities and actions.

The DM and I have agreed to avoid the entire subject. Neither of us wants to establish the precedent that the spell can raise the dead, be they outsiders or not.
 


Coal is a mineral, Diamond is a mineral derived from coal... yes this is one way that wizards break game economy when using PAO
Yes, that seems a tad more problematic.

It is, however, at best a permanent spell, not an instantaneous one, meaning that anyone with access to a Detect Magic spell can see something's up. Basically, it's just a magical counterfeiting method. I suspect in most civilized areas it's a standard that your money should not be magical, for that reason. Which then leads to an arms race of unscrupulous characters trying to hide the aura and business and authorities trying to detect transformed money. I'm guessing the establishment usually, but not always wins.
 

Coal is a mineral, Diamond is a mineral derived from coal... yes this is one way that wizards break game economy when using PAO

Wizards whose GM's don't read the rules, maybe.

SRD said:
This spell cannot create material of great intrinsic value, such as copper, silver, gems, silk, gold, platinum, mithral, or adamantine.

Seems pretty clear this would preclude creation of diamonds.

As to the Kingdom issue, coal is derived from plants and oil from animals. Are oil and a Troll in the same Kingdom?
 


Coal is like the poster child for metamorphic rocks. It is a mineral because it has been metamorphosed (changed) by millions of years of pressure and heat.

You've picked a very bad example for your argument, one whose change in kingdom is well documented.

If you want a better one, try dirt, specifically topsoil. Plant matter falls to the forest floor where it is consumed by animals (micro-organisms included) and after passing through or passing away (animals die) becomes a mineral, dirt. It has been part of all three kingdoms. And what happens next? Well, it provides a nutritious foundation for plants to grow in, which drop leaves to the forest floor and...

But for all of these, until changed by geological or biological forces, their kingdom remains the same.
 

Wizards whose GM's don't read the rules, maybe.



Seems pretty clear this would preclude creation of diamonds.

As to the Kingdom issue, coal is derived from plants and oil from animals. Are oil and a Troll in the same Kingdom?

No. Trolls are a self renewing resource! :)

(Aside from being an imaginary one. But in their world (the game world), it's petroleum chemistry that's imaginary.)
 

last time I checked, living creatures are full of minerals of great intrinsic value, so how the hell does this spell even function then? that line needs to be expanded or ignored for this spell, considering that limited wish CAN make stuff, and that one is lower level.
 

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