MichaelSomething
Legend
Are we suppose to follow the rules or scorn them??
You are supposed to follow them up until the moment you must scorn them, and then scorn them up until the moment they must be followed. The crimes of Eastasia can never be forgiven, for Eastasia has always been the enemy and Eurasia our ally, and now that it is on the move, we must ensure that these heinous Eurasian devils never imperil the prosperity of Oceania, which shall never occur so long as Eastasia stands with us.Are we suppose to follow the rules or scorn them??
Again, it did depend where you lived. I'm sure that whatever corner of the world you grew up in has not changed one bit in the past 50 years.
Sure, some families like yours bought a Microwave on January 2nd 1980. For a lot of the rest of the country, Microwaves did not come around until the late 80s.
You never went hunting with a bow and arrow? You know this is a real thing?
And your not exactly growing up in a "rural" area if you just go to a store and buy food like it's 2023. A big part of the rural life is growing, trapping and hunting your own food.
Well, somethings are better then others. This is a simple fact, even if it's not liked. Even today, as I did as a kid, I make Lemonade with real lemons....not a couple of scoops of "lemon flavored drink mix". I make mashed potatoes with real potatoes, not some "just add water powered mix". I cook real meat, from a real killed animal on a fire....I don't buy frozen "BBQ shaped" food("made with some real meat!").
I have hundreds of real life skills, even beyond food and cooking. Life was different back in the day. We had to navigate by the sun and stars, no pocket GPS. For Astronomy we had to find things in the sky by using the celestial sphere, not just download a 'spacefinder app'. Once we left the immediate 'city' area, there was simply no way to get in touch with someone; we did not have cell phones with us at all times.
And, yes, today is much different. The vast majority of kids, even young people, don't have a lot of skills. Sure they don't "need" a lot of them, but it has gone very far towards the sci-fi apocalypse where people don't know how things work. Not even a joke here.....
Things that come up often, if you play Reality Simulation type RPGs. Hunting, fishing, making fire, cooking and such skills are unknown to many younger gamers. Of course, most modern games just do the "oh just have your character make a survival roll" or something like that.
And this gets into the having done things in real life. I've jumped, climbed, swung and otherwise done things...so I know what I, as an "average human" can do. And I've done a TON of stuff really just to "prove" it's possible. I've jumped off a barn, shot a bow in mid air, hit a far away bullseye, and landed in a pile of hay. And, in case your wondering...I'm not Hawkeye. But the point is that if I, a normal person can do it, it's possible for a lot of normal people to do it. I know this as I did it. The young folk watch the CGI spam in movies and think any of that is real.
Ummm. You realize scouting is still a thing right?
This whole, back in the day stuff is just such a tired cliche.
Well, I'm out. I have a "dead" hand.@Mannahnin - Regarding the availability of resurrection and raise dead, while I find this an interesting question, I am going to "call" your question and "raise" you an additional concern.
I was in games where it was enforced, but generally it was not. Probably one in five tables I played at enforced it.I often reference the rule in AD&D about half-orcs and elves- specifically, that they cannot be brought back from the dead through those methods (absent a Rod of Resurrection, which works for ... um ... reasons). I have often wondered how common that rule was enforced in other campaigns; based on what I've observed others saying, it would seem that this is one of the most unused rules in AD&D, outside of people (such as myself) who always recognized that elves are soulless automatons with dead eyes and a scourge upon the land.
So question 1- did anyone else see this rule enforced?
I never saw it used after the first few times. The reason is that no one really wanted to play a bear, wolf, owl or fox. Even the MU table had entries no one wanted to play.And question 2! Reincarnation was an available spell (Druid 7, MU 6). How common was the use of this spell on PCs instead of raise dead or resurrection in your AD&D campaigns, and why?
Yeah. I've always wondered about that as well. I think some of the group I played with used the rod as the foundation to ignore the actual rule. If one worked, why shouldn't the other.I can buy all of this. Definitely a working theory. But it still doesn't explain why, if the distinction is the spirit/soul thing per Deities and Demigods, why a Rod of Resurrection, and only the Rod, works.
I still use that rule in my games regardless of the edition. I'm a Tolkien fan, so immortal elves are a thing that I really like. PC elves don't even have to migrate when they hit that age. Not that one has ever come close to hitting that age. My games don't span several centuries of time.AD&D 2e PHB, page 24 (in original printing), chart 11 (ages), asterisk associated with elf age limit: "* Upon attaining this age, an elf does not die. Rather he feels compelled to migrate tosome mysterious, other land, departing the world of men."
It was less "this never happened" and more "this was an outlier even by then" as compared to Bloodtide's assumption that most people of the time experienced it. Even moreso since even by then "most people" (at least in the areas D&D reached) were primarily city dwellers.More people saying such things didn't happen.
Everyone had electricity for example but we had a neighbour cooking on a coal range until 1989/90.
And yeah working on a farm aged 13.
TVs, computers. Microwaves were also really expensive we got ours kinda early due to stepfathers job.
In a way, they're both right; and which is right at any given point depends on the type of campaign you're running.Heck, in the post you linked there, Sacrosanct makes it pretty clear that time-tracking is quite casual in many cases, yet we also have direct from Gygax himself in AD&D: "YOU CAN NOT HAVE A MEANINGFUL CAMPAIGN IF STRICT TIME RECORDS ARE NOT KEPT."
Not sure if anyone other than Gygax ever used this one.And in OD&D, an explicit connection between IRL time and game time, where "1 Week of actual time = 1 week of game time."