Keith Baker asks about walking away from Eberron.

Sacrosanct

Legend
They probably might have a slightly better chance, yes... but I do wonder whether name recognition of the designer is enough of a thing that can drive enough people to their work, and not the work itself and the game/setting their work falls into?
This is all true. But like I literally just told him, "Even if you didn't have the name recognition, if you weren't a great designer, you wouldn't have won the contest with Eberron."

They guy won, for a good reason. As someone who suffers from major imposter syndrome, I look at Keith's work and it's really, really good stuff and hope I could come up with stuff half as good.
 

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Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
....maybe.

But look at the example you just used. The 4e example.

That wasn't people looking for something different. That was people looking for the same thing. And what happened? You had a bunch of people arguing about who was "really" playing ... wait for it ... D&D.
Ah, Pathfinder. The Lost Odyssey of TTRPGs.
 

Incenjucar

Legend
This is all true. But like I literally just told him, "Even if you didn't have the name recognition, if you weren't a great designer, you wouldn't have won the contest with Eberron."

They guy won, for a good reason. As someone who suffers from major imposter syndrome, I look at Keith's work and it's really, really good stuff and hope I could come up with stuff half as good.
Yeah, jealous though I am of his success, he's earned it. I'm not a fan of the setting feel myself, but the material is still a solid and thought-out read.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
It sounds like this is something he’s been thinking about for a while now and perhaps he might have come to the same point even without the whole OGL thing.
I don't want to (and can't) speak for him, so this is just my own personal opinion. Seeing as how we talked about this weeks ago before the OGL mess came about, I'm sure of it.

Also, and again just my observation and not to speak for him, but I get the feeling he has tremendous loyalty to his fans, and doesn't want to let fans of Eberron down by moving focus to something else. It's a tough decision for him.
 

dave2008

Legend
If you like that, they also have a very clear description of exactly what their content guidelines are, which could pretty easily be used word for word in the new proposed OGL 1.2 (or at least a strong basis):

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Yep, that would work for the OGL (generally) IMO. What is nice is with the "Creator Badge" you don't have to copy the whole license so it can be as long as it needs to be.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
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I don't want to (and can't) speak for him, so this is just my own personal opinion. Seeing as how we talked about this weeks ago before the OGL mess came about, I'm sure of it.

Also, and again just my observation and not to speak for him, but I get the feeling he has tremendous loyalty to his fans, and doesn't want to let fans of Eberron down by moving focus to something else. It's a tough decision for him.

He seems like a good guy. I hope whatever decision he makes works out.

I think we all know that TTRPGs is not the field to enter into if you're looking for fame and fortune.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
He seems like a good guy. I hope whatever decision he makes works out.

I think we all know that TTRPGs is not the field to enter into if you're looking for fame and fortune.
Whatever do you mean? I must have made over $100,000 over the years with my RPG stuff. Nevermind how I probably spent $150,000 making it.... ;)*

What's that saying? "How do you end up with $1 million in the RPG industry? Start with $2 million."

*Edit: this has always been a hobby labor of love for me, so I'm OK with it. I was never in it to make money
 

Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
Jokes about obscure video games aside, this is the straw that will probably break my back. At this point I've dragged literally dozens of new players into the game of Dungeons & Dragons using, primarily, a synopsis of the Eberron campaign setting. I don't know even know how much brand loyalty I'd still have towards D&D at all if (a) not for Eberron and (b) new players want to play D&D and not <insert literally any other game here> because it's the one everyone's heard about. But that's been enough, really. A lot of the issues that have plagued Dungeons & Dragons from a thematic and ethical standpoint (to say nothing of how these issues have plagued our poor overworked moderators anytime anybody mentions the word "orc") were solved by Keith and company nearly twenty years ago. Their sensibilities helped keep D&D relevant for me and the people in my life. I grew up with D&D, but Eberron is what kept with it after I, well, grew up.

Eberron without Keith Baker isn't Eberron. And D&D without Eberron is a whole lot less appealing to me in general
 

Saracenus

Always In School Gamer
He seems like a good guy. I hope whatever decision he makes works out.

I think we all know that TTRPGs is not the field to enter into if you're looking for fame and fortune.
As Portland native, I have had several opportunities to meet him, I can vouch that Keith is a stand up guy. He is very creative and he is supportive of other designers. He loves interacting with fans, he had a whole dinner and gaming thing with Keith Baker going on pre-COVID.
I got to play test his board game and a SciFi version of his Gloom card game (sadly, I was not able to participate in the Phoenix Command playtest). I too do not envy his choice...
Also he is a pug dad and that alone gets major bonus points for me and my wife.
 

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