D&D 5E L&L: Mike Lays It All Out

[darjr]

They should post some example feats ASAP and not just wait for the packet.

 

[Ratskinner]

Why? Non-casters already get double feat progression?

I was suggesting that instead of alternate progressions, so that they could be removed entirely, if desired.

 

[Warbringer]

I was suggesting that instead of alternate progressions, so that they could be removed entirely, if desired.

I missed that.

 

[Ratskinner]

I missed that.

I probably wasn't really clear, as I was just posting the idea as it struck me.

 

[Weather Report]

Why? Non-casters already get double feat progression?

I thought they said that all characters would get 6 Feats (levels 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, I would think), but Fighters and Rogues would get more, not all non-casters?

 

[Warbringer]

I thought they said that all characters would get 6 Feats (levels 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, I would think), but Fighters and Rogues would get more, not all non-casters?

There's some analysis upstream that strongly suggests featsl are in the adventurers tier (3-15) then we will probably get epic feats the last 5 levels

 

[Warbringer]

I probably wasn't really clear, as I was just posting the idea as it struck me.

I thought it was pretty elegant and preserves balance across basic and standard.

 

[Li Shenron]

I think we all just need to get over the "this +1 doesn't do anything!" mentality.

Taking a +1 when you have an even stat isn't "getting nothing"... it's getting you halfway to a bump in your modifier. The point here is we need to look at the totality of a character's advancement... and not just one specific level.

So the idea is that at the end of the day... do the total number of ability modifier bonuses you potentially gain over your 10 levels or 20 levels remain relatively on par (and note, I say 'on par' and not 'exactly equal') with the half-dozen plus special abilities you get from feats over that same amount of time?

I don't see any need in finding a way to "fix" the ability score bonus when you're using it on an even numbered score, because it doesn't "equal" the power of a feat. Look at everything you get over the life of your character and see if mod bonuses and feats (mixed and matched to your hearts content) keep all the characters relatively in check with one another. That's the balance we need to make sure to see.

Yesh!

Don't want to take +1 to an even ability score? Don't take it Take +1 on another score or take a feat. There are plenty of options...

 

[malcolm_n]

Would it be bad to key some feat reqs against odd abilities again? For example

Dodge
req: 13+ Dexterity
Benefit: Each encounter, you can make a single attack that would hit you miss instead.

Mobility
req: 15 + Dexterity
Benefit: When you draw an opportunity attack from an enemy while moving, that enemy has disadvantage on its attack roll.

Spring Attack
req: 17 + Dexterity
Benefit: When you use an action to attack, you can also move up to 1/2 your speed before or after.

Whirlwind Attack
req: 19+ Dexterity
Benefit: You can use an action to make a single attack against each creature adjacent to you.

That would give me reason enough to go from 14 to 15; and possibly 16 later.

 

[DEFCON 1]

That rankles against my (and, evidently, a number of others') design sensibilities, though; at any one point in advancement, any two options should be mechanically similar in weight. With +1 to ability scores, half the time there's a direct mechanical effect, and the other there's a delayed mechanical effect. You see how that doesn't jive? I mean, if feats were balanced against the average of +1 to an even score and +1 to an odd score, it'd work out, I /guess/, but it still seems harder to design around than it needs to be.

Personally... I find the idea of changing up the d20 system just for ability checks rankles my sensibilities. A change-up of the base mechanic of the game just to try and create some sort of false equivalence between any single feat and its doppleganger replacement.

Unnecessary overkill for very little gain.