Lay on Hands & Eagle's Splendor

[Hypersmurf]

Eagle's splendor is an enhancement bonus just like all the other 2nd level stat boosters. It works like an enhancement bonus as if you had a cloak of charisma. Your charisma increases and consequently anything that relies on chr increases with it - bonus spells, DCs, ST, LoH, etc. To do anything else is to institute a house rule.

You've read the spell, I take it?

Referring specifically to the line "Sorcerers and bards who receive eagle's splendor do not gain extra spells, but the save DCs for their spells increase."

-Hyp.

 

[Merlion]

This is how I would rule it. Since E. Splendor has a durration of 1 hour/level (IIRC), it would be a "temporary bonus" to the Paladins lay on hands. Lets say we have a 3rd level Wizard who casts Eagles Splendor on the 3rd level Paladin. For sake of ease lets say the Paladin has a Charisma of 16 and the Wizard rolls a 3 on the d4, so the Paladin has a +4 to Charisma, and is at 20, or a +5. Normally the Paladin could heal 9 hit points (+3 modifier x 3 level), but with the +5 modifier can now heal 15 hit points.

Now lets say the Paladin uses 8 of those 15 points, and is not left with "7" hit points. But if 3 hours later, the Paladin has not used those 7 hit points, and his Charisma "drops" to his normal 16, he would no longer have 7 hit points of lay on hands, but 1 (9 - the 8 used).

If the paladin has used 10 of his 15 temp Lay on Hands, then he'd have 0 left after the Splendor runs out.

Does that make sense? Anyway, not sure if thats "official" but its what I would do.

Well that sounds like a great way to handle it to me Hammy

 

[Gaiden]

You've read the spell, I take it?

I did not read that. (IDHMBWM and could have been having another stupid attack though). Which source did you get that from and has there been errata for it?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Which source did you get that from and has there been errata for it? [/B]

Tome and Blood, and to the best of my knowledge no.

It says the same for Owl's Wisdom and Fox's Cunning - no bonus spells, just the DC hike.

-Hyp.

 

[Quixon]

I can give you same answer I did your Dm on the Wotc forums-using Eagles splendor does increase your Lay on Hands and no you don't have to have it on for 24 hours. As somebody else posted-it works the same as the rest of the Enhancement spells(Bulls Str, Cats Grace ect..). You don't have to have those on for 24 hrs before you get the benefit.

The reason it is different for Bonus spells is balance, Bonus spells are way more unbalancing then a few +'s here or there a person might get from a ability score.

It is no different than you can have your Paladin take out and put on a Cloak of Charisma, use his Lay on Hands at the increased effect, then take it off and put it back in his backpack.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It is no different than you can have your Paladin take out and put on a Cloak of Charisma, use his Lay on Hands at the increased effect, then take it off and put it back in his backpack.

As for the Dispel Magic question-Dispel Magic would have no effect if you used your Lay on Hands, then got got his Eagles Splendor dispeled. The effect was instant, you can't dispel magic healing.

You're misunderstanding the argument. There's no suggestion that the healing would be dispelled. The question is how many points of Lay on Hands the Paladin has left for the day.

3rd level Paladin, 16 Cha, 9 points of Lay on Hands per day.

He puts on his Cloak +2 - his Cha is now 18. 12 points of Lay on Hand per day.

If he uses three of them and then takes the Cloak off, is he now a Paladin who has used 3 points of Lay on Hands today (with 6/9 remaining) - exactly how hit points work when your Con changes - or is he a Paladin who has 9 points of Lay on Hands remaining, and only his maximum shifts back from 12 to 9 (as with temporary hit points from Aid, for example)?

What happens if he then puts his Cloak back on? Or if he puts a Cloak +4 on? 12/15 remaining? 15/15 remaining?

-Hyp.

 

[Crothian]

I'd treat it like HP. The amount always goes up and down with the attribute, but the used portion never goes away.

 

[Quixon]

You're misunderstanding the argument. There's no suggestion that the healing would be dispelled. The question is how many points of Lay on Hands the Paladin has left for the day.

3rd level Paladin, 16 Cha, 9 points of Lay on Hands per day.

He puts on his Cloak +2 - his Cha is now 18. 12 points of Lay on Hand per day.

If he uses three of them and then takes the Cloak off, is he now a Paladin who has used 3 points of Lay on Hands today (with 6/9 remaining) - exactly how hit points work when your Con changes - or is he a Paladin who has 9 points of Lay on Hands remaining, and only his maximum shifts back from 12 to 9 (as with temporary hit points from Aid, for example)?

What happens if he then puts his Cloak back on? Or if he puts a Cloak +4 on? 12/15 remaining? 15/15 remaining?

-Hyp.

Yeah i saw that-I edited it right after lol. As the post above this says-just keep track of how many points have been used for the day. So if he had a temp bonus that let him heal 20 points a day and he used them all, then later got a different bonus that would have let him heal 22, he gets another 2,

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'd treat it like HP. The amount always goes up and down with the attribute, but the used portion never goes away.

Which is what Hammy McHamHam proposed, and I agree with.

I just felt that using the word "temporary" conveyed the opposite concept. It wasn't intended as criticism, merely an observation as to the possibility of confusion arising.

-Hyp.

 

[Ao the Overkitty]

I can give you same answer I did your Dm on the Wotc forums

Thanks. After all, the more responces, the wider base we have to make a ruling for both his and my campaign.