Learning permanent metaenhanced spells?

[Angel Tarragon]

Say a wizard wanted to learn fireball, but the version the spellcaster finds adds the fiery spell metamagic feat (Sandstorm, pg. 49; +1 point of fire damage/die of damage, +1 spell slot) permanently. Is this even possible?

I could have sworn I saw something about this in the either the PHB or the DMG. Help!

 

[Artoomis]

Say a wizard wanted to learn fireball, but the version the spellcaster finds adds the fiery spell metamagic feat (Sandstorm, pg. 49; +1 point of fire damage/die of damage, +1 spell slot) permanently. Is this even possible?

I could have sworn I saw something about this in the either the PHB or the DMG. Help!

Are you saying he wants to use a third level spell slot to cast fireball with +1 point per die of damage?

Unacceptable unless otherwise balanced out in some way. It should be a higher-level spell.

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Are you saying he wants to use a third level spell slot to cast fireball with +1 point per die of damage?

Unacceptable unless otherwise balanced out in some way. It should be a higher-level spell.

The Meatamagic feat would increase the level of the spell accordingly; therefore the Fiery Spell Fireball would be learned as a 4th level spell.

 

[Pyrex]

I don't believe there are any rules explicitly dis/allowing it.

As a house rule it's reasonable as metamagiced spells are usually a little underpowered for their level to begin with and fully promoting them to a new spell level prevents most of the "free levels of metamagic" cheese.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I've always felt that researching a spell with a metamagic feat 'baked in' is perfectly acceptable under the (rather slim) spell research rules.

e.g. a 4th level "Silent Suggestion" or 5th level "Empowered fireball".

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Thanks for the help everyone. I appreciate it.

 

[Quartz]

But the spell would still count as 3rd level for Minor Globe of Invulnerability etc.

 

[Pinotage]

But the spell would still count as 3rd level for Minor Globe of Invulnerability etc.

Not if it were a newly research 4th level spell. There's nothing wrong with creating a new spell that is effectively a meta-enhanced version of another spell. If it's a researched spell, it's not longer a meta-enhanced one, and no longer subject to the restrictions on metamagic spells.

Pinotage

 

[Quartz]

Not if it were a newly research 4th level spell.

But it isn't. It's a 3rd level spell with a +1 level metamagic feat.

There's nothing wrong with creating a new spell that is effectively a meta-enhanced version of another spell. If it's a researched spell, it's not longer a meta-enhanced one, and no longer subject to the restrictions on metamagic spells.

I disagree. You're memorising a spell that has a metamagic feat added. You should consider yourself lucky that you're allowed to have it at all if you don't have the feat.

 

[Torin Ironfist]

A fireball spell written on a scroll with something akin to a metamagic FEAT added in the writing is not a fireball spell with the metamagic feat, but a new spell that is an enhanced fireball. You cannot ~write~ a feat down on a scroll. If you look at the PHB on pg 88 about metamagic feats you will see it is something you learn to do while casting the spell that is different in some small way. To clarify, you do not cast a different spell, you cast the same spell in a different way.