TarionzCousin
Second Most Angelic Devil Ever
So... I vote that Paizo buy the rights to Greyhawk and start putting out material for it. Who is with me?
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Let's Forget the Forgotten Realms
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Warunsun
First Post
They, Paizo, are fully vested into their own setting now. So while I would have been really happy to see that happen about 3-4 years ago; I actually don't want to see it happen now. And I know it will never happen in any case. Paizo is doing its own thing and successfully. Wizards would not part with the IP either now. Especially when they are uncertain of things to come.
Forgotten Realms is coming again whether any of us want it or not. I know I never need to buy another Forgotten Realms book and could run a campaign just fine with what I have. I just hope they support other settings as well. There has been a lot of talk about Elminster in this thread. For folks that haven't been keeping up on him he was reduced to a mere Paragon-level combat encounter for the PCs to defeat in fourth edition. He was defrocked and is no longer the Gandalf of D&D. Indeed, Mordenkainen could legitimately kick his ass now. It makes no sense but that is the current state of Elminster.
The Little Raven
First Post
Buy? Doubtful. License, ala 3e Ravenloft with White Wolf? Much more likely on WotC's end. However, I doubt it would happen on Paizo's end because they are very invested in Golarion. Paizo is already set on a multi-year course by the success of Pathfinder, and I don't see 5e changing that, even if they did get an opportunity to play in an old, familiar playground like Greyhawk.
Roland55
First Post
Sigh.
I would dearly love to see the return of Greyhawk ... where I sweated, bled, enchanted, and strove as a young man. It would be great fun.
Doubt it's going to happen, though. It's just easier for WOTC to move forward with what it has.
But. But. One day ... from WOTC or Paizo or SOMEONE. It would be a wonderful treat.
I would dearly love to see the return of Greyhawk ... where I sweated, bled, enchanted, and strove as a young man. It would be great fun.
Doubt it's going to happen, though. It's just easier for WOTC to move forward with what it has.
But. But. One day ... from WOTC or Paizo or SOMEONE. It would be a wonderful treat.
Shemeska
Adventurer
If they made Planescape/The Great Wheel the default cosmology in any capacity and made planar material for it... I'd mortgage my soul to be in on it. Just saying.
Please?
Hey, I more or less said the same thing and it got me in on Paizo's BotD III, so it can't hurt to try the same here. I can happily be invested in more than one cosmology and enjoy both.
Please?
Hey, I more or less said the same thing and it got me in on Paizo's BotD III, so it can't hurt to try the same here. I can happily be invested in more than one cosmology and enjoy both.
Tequila Sunrise
Adventurer
What is it about GH that inspires such excitement? I share your apathy toward FR, and extend it to GH and most other published settings. I've never played in GH, so I'm honestly curious what sets it apart from other settings.
(Particularly from FR, 'cause from what limited info I have, GH simply looks like a generic setting much like FR. Albeit with less detail.)
Giltonio_Santos
Hero
Greyhawk as the implied setting? I like that. Casting raise dead on Dragonlance? No, please.
Love the Realms. And they sell. Selling is a good thing, as far as I can tell. License Dragonlance to Weis again, where it can live forever in the realms of third party stuff, for people like the OP, who never accepted the fact that the Realms simply came and trampled it. It seems DL sells enough to make a business for a small publisher, and that's where it should stay.
But as long as FR is the setting that sells, it should be the first setting to get support. The day Eberron or (god forbids) Dragonlance supplants it should be the day of changing that. Otherwise, keep it coming and we'll keep playing in the (non-spellplague) Realms.
Cheers,
Love the Realms. And they sell. Selling is a good thing, as far as I can tell. License Dragonlance to Weis again, where it can live forever in the realms of third party stuff, for people like the OP, who never accepted the fact that the Realms simply came and trampled it. It seems DL sells enough to make a business for a small publisher, and that's where it should stay.
But as long as FR is the setting that sells, it should be the first setting to get support. The day Eberron or (god forbids) Dragonlance supplants it should be the day of changing that. Otherwise, keep it coming and we'll keep playing in the (non-spellplague) Realms.
Cheers,
the Jester
Legend
The FR logo has actually pushed me away from buying quite a few products over the years.
I got the 1e Grey Box, and it was awesome. Then everything else... more or less ripped off (or "homaged", if you're feeling generous) pretty much every fantasy trope. Stole mainstream stuff and shoved it into an FR-labeled envelope (Monsters of Faerun, I'm looking you right in the eyes.) As time passed, more and more stuff got shoehorned into Realms books that was really intended for every D&D game (hi there swordmage!). I am so sick of it that I could vomit.
If the 3e Underdark book hadn't had the FR 'brand' on it, I would have grabbed it in a red-hot second. Likewise, Serpent Kingdoms, Monsters of Faerun, Champions of Ruin, etc.
Is "Oh, it's an FR product" a good reason to skip a good sourcebook? NO- but, inevitably, I end up doing so anyway, because that's how strong my antipathy towards the Forgotten Realms is. I almost bought the 3e FRCS book; it was fantastic, but I always turned aside from it in favor of, well, anything- 3rd party products, the Eberron setting book, beer, porn, giving my money away to a homeless guy.
The FR brand is a HUGE turnoff to me. I hope to God that WotC doesn't put ONE. DAMN. REFERENCE. to it in DnDN, except in FR books. I do not want a single tiny drop of Realms garbage to get on the other books on my shelf.
In fact, putting the level of FR support in 5e's PH that Greyhawk saw in 3e would be too much for my tastes- I DO NOT WANT Realmsian deities listed in the PH or Basic Set or whatever it ends up being. I DO NOT WANT references to Amn and Cormyr as 'assumed setting elements'.
As far as I can come up with, FR support in the core rules is about the only thing that might push me away from buying 5e. Is that stupid? Probably, but it IS. I HATE the Realms, with all its damned DMPCs and ridiculous, flavorless, mashed-together nonsense, enough that it might be a dealbreaker for me. I really really really really really REALLY hope that the "early support of FR" we've heard about for DnDN/5e/whatever is not in the generic rulebooks. I want a system that supports MY HOMEBREW, NOT ED GREENWOOD'S.
I got the 1e Grey Box, and it was awesome. Then everything else... more or less ripped off (or "homaged", if you're feeling generous) pretty much every fantasy trope. Stole mainstream stuff and shoved it into an FR-labeled envelope (Monsters of Faerun, I'm looking you right in the eyes.) As time passed, more and more stuff got shoehorned into Realms books that was really intended for every D&D game (hi there swordmage!). I am so sick of it that I could vomit.
If the 3e Underdark book hadn't had the FR 'brand' on it, I would have grabbed it in a red-hot second. Likewise, Serpent Kingdoms, Monsters of Faerun, Champions of Ruin, etc.
Is "Oh, it's an FR product" a good reason to skip a good sourcebook? NO- but, inevitably, I end up doing so anyway, because that's how strong my antipathy towards the Forgotten Realms is. I almost bought the 3e FRCS book; it was fantastic, but I always turned aside from it in favor of, well, anything- 3rd party products, the Eberron setting book, beer, porn, giving my money away to a homeless guy.
The FR brand is a HUGE turnoff to me. I hope to God that WotC doesn't put ONE. DAMN. REFERENCE. to it in DnDN, except in FR books. I do not want a single tiny drop of Realms garbage to get on the other books on my shelf.
In fact, putting the level of FR support in 5e's PH that Greyhawk saw in 3e would be too much for my tastes- I DO NOT WANT Realmsian deities listed in the PH or Basic Set or whatever it ends up being. I DO NOT WANT references to Amn and Cormyr as 'assumed setting elements'.
As far as I can come up with, FR support in the core rules is about the only thing that might push me away from buying 5e. Is that stupid? Probably, but it IS. I HATE the Realms, with all its damned DMPCs and ridiculous, flavorless, mashed-together nonsense, enough that it might be a dealbreaker for me. I really really really really really REALLY hope that the "early support of FR" we've heard about for DnDN/5e/whatever is not in the generic rulebooks. I want a system that supports MY HOMEBREW, NOT ED GREENWOOD'S.
TheAuldGrump
First Post
Heh, I am another that does not care about the Forgettable Realms, outside of the Baldur's Gate series....
But then I had created my first setting before even The Wilderlands got published. (Wilderlands was my first purchased setting - those tan maps, with the fascinating blank areas on the player's versions. The stinking streets of 'The City State of the Invincible Overlord'....
)
The Auld Grump
But then I had created my first setting before even The Wilderlands got published. (Wilderlands was my first purchased setting - those tan maps, with the fascinating blank areas on the player's versions. The stinking streets of 'The City State of the Invincible Overlord'....
)The Auld Grump
