Playtest (A5E) Level Up Playtest Document #3: Rogue

Welcome to the third Level Up playtest document. This playtest contains a candidate for the first 10 levels of game’s rogue class.

You will also need to refer to the previous fighter playtest document for information on Traditions and Maneuvers, as we haven’t repeated that information in this document.

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[tetrasodium]

This stacks in unfortunate ways with the similar fighting style. It should grant that fighting style.


Bah, no fire traps or poison needles?


I see the balance reason; but a time limit (for the next hour) could be useful.


Meh on the stacking. I wonder if we can tie to to advantage, like "when your two attack dice on advantage are within 1 point of each other". That would tie into the rogue advantage-sneak-attack thing and avoid the awkward stacking and add a fun minigame.

The other thing you could consider is adding a reaction attack to the Rogue. In order for the Rogue to keep up with a charop character, they have to pick up a way to make a sneak attack on their turn and as a reaction.

There are quite a few ways for rogues to get a reaction attack added. For example... Quickdraw, painful pickpocket, speed over strength, & based on the name maybe painful pickpocket if they clear up the function. The maneuvers rogues get access to are in the fighter playtest packet & quite a few give a reaction attack or even better, I covered them over here to save time There is also references to chapters we don't have i improved trapsmith that likely covers stuff like the very poison needle you mention in reference to the base trapsmith wording

 

[NotAYakk]

There are quite a few ways for rogues to get a reaction attack added. For example... Quickdraw, painful pickpocket, speed over strength, & based on the name maybe painful pickpocket if they clear up the function. The maneuvers rogues get access to are in the fighter playtest packet & quite a few give a reaction attack or even better, I covered them over here to save time There is also references to chapters we don't have i improved trapsmith that likely covers stuff like the very poison needle you mention in reference to the base trapsmith wording

Ah, sorry, I didn't think of Maneuvers.

 

[tetrasodium]

Ah, sorry, I didn't think of Maneuvers.

Yea they get some nastiness with those and all signs point towards meaningful AoOs again for even more extra sneak attacks

 

[tetrasodium]

in the destiny test packet there is a metamrphosis option & rogues do so well from it that it almost becomes a mandatory build option due to multiattack alone yet just one of many solid options for the other classes. Gnoll fleshgnawer(cr1) from volos & hybrid flier(CR2) from ggtr are some of the most impressive mundane humanoids but are far from the most impressive of "I'm gonna start taking rogue levels after the first couple sessions" options available to rogues who want to specialize in specific areas. In the past rogue gained a second & third attack at 7 & 13, it might be worth considering if something similar should be added back in for rogue