Living Greyhawk CANCELLED in 2008 - rpga report

[TerraDave]

If they wanted to "take back" Greyhawk and relaunch it, they would probably have to do something like this. (I am guessing they will try to keep a tighter handle on the content of LFR).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Greyhawk back in a few years as an explicitly "retro" setting. And with a steady stream of online stuff until then. Expedition to Castle Greyhawk, and Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth in the new Dungeon in October both point the way.

 

[buzzard]

Wizards seems to be assuming that most people play Living Greyhawk for DnD, rather than Greyhawk.

This may be true.

I am not one of those people, though. Nor are quite a few of my LG-playing friends.

So this means that the odds of me buying even the 4e PHB have all but dropped off the radar. I've no interest in an LFR campaign. Too bad, too, because I was fine with the campaign reboot. Goodbye RPGA.

Well I gave up on LG last year when I got sick of the meat grinder cycle. Once my metaregion decided it has to be deadlier than the rest, I felt it was time to run along. It's not like I'd seen a whole lot to endear me to LG for a while as it was. Now I'm not much of a fan of the realms, but I'll see if this new living campaign is worthwhile. Considering that I'll be buying 4th Ed pretty much no matter what, I might as well see what the campaign has to offer. As it is, without LG, I have lots of free slots at the cons I go to.

buzzard

 

[+5 Keyboard!]

Greetings!

Hmmm...well, +5 Keyboard, I would disagree with you, and I think you must be dreaming. Evidently, from this poll:

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=204620

Over 90% of the members seem, oh, I don't know--they seem to think that Greyhawk has been "barely supported" or "Withered and Dead"--so, I guess they must all be delusional heh?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Let's not confuse Living Greyhawk with the actual Greyhawk setting and brand name. The fact that the former goes away, does not, in fact, mean the setting itself is suddenly dead.

Shark, I have about 5 years of Dungeon and Dragon magazines sitting on my shelf that have enough Greyhawk material in it to back up my statement. Poll? F**K your poll? Who the hell cares what a stupid popularity contest among a few people that weren't lazy enough to just pass over the thread had to say. FACT is that it has never been WELL supported, but it has been supported. I have black and white (and a bit of color) print to support my argument. What do you have? A F-ing poll on a messageboard?!

Now don't get me wrong. Unless it's WotC's pet projects, which don't include GH, it's not going to get a whole lot of support, but as long as there's writers like me and publishers on the inside of WotC's staff that are GH enthusiasts, there's still going to be enough Greyhawk material coming out to keep the setting alive. Any more than that and you have to turn to things like the OerthJournal, which is getting more and more momentum and energy and attracting bigger and more well-known authors to it each month (Rob Kuntz, anyone?).

Sorry, Shark. The FACTS don't support the conspiracy theory sentiments and whining of "Greyhawk is dead, everyone! Wha! Wha!"

You can call GH an old dog, Old Yeller, or what have you, but this dog ain't goin' down like that. This old dog will be sticking around for a while still.

 

[billd91]

Greetings!

Yes, I have always been a subscriber to Dragon and Dungeon both.

Maybe you think that a few adventures, and support in the magazines is sufficient.

Great.

Most Greyhawk fans that I have talked to, do not think that is sufficient.

There's a big difference between being supported and being suppored enough for the fans to consider that support sufficient. Personally, I thought Paizo was doing a bang-up job of supporting WotC's red-headed step-child. We had 2 adventure paths set, mostly nominally, in Greyhawk and 1 absolutely steeped in it. We had mini-paths set in Sterich and in other more obscure areas of Greyhawk.
And, of course, RPGA supported it with Living Greyhawk.

Would I have wanted more support from WotC? Sure. But given the campaign model, support from WotC was never as necessary as WotC's support for FR.

With Paizo now being out of the picture for official D&D support (as far as we know) and Living Greyhawk being sent to the glue factory (as opposed to being put out to pasture), the future of Greyhawk support does look pretty grim.

 

[qstor]

I play and write for LG. A lot of my friends are a little blue over WOTC killing LG. I saw it coming with the 3 year Triad story arc for 2005-2008. I didn't think 4e would come that soon. Its obvious that its a marketing decision from the bean counters and not 15K folks that play LG.


Mike

 

[bastrak]

There's a big difference between being supported and being suppored enough for the fans to consider that support sufficient. Personally, I thought Paizo was doing a bang-up job of supporting WotC's red-headed step-child. We had 2 adventure paths set, mostly nominally, in Greyhawk and 1 absolutely steeped in it. We had mini-paths set in Sterich and in other more obscure areas of Greyhawk.
And, of course, RPGA supported it with Living Greyhawk.

Would I have wanted more support from WotC? Sure. But given the campaign model, support from WotC was never as necessary as WotC's support for FR.

With Paizo now being out of the picture for official D&D support (as far as we know) and Living Greyhawk being sent to the glue factory (as opposed to being put out to pasture), the future of Greyhawk support does look pretty grim.

My view entirely.

 

[Fedifensor]

Well, there's always Living Arcanis...

 

[Mortellan]

I haven't seen a descenting Greyhawk fan actually post an opinion on here yet. Where's the consensus? The poll is probably not reflecting the target group after all.

 

[wakedown]

Maybe Wizards is just really, really clever and they will release a steady stream of Greyhawk support, but all in digital format, thus forcing me to subscribe to digital content when I never thought I ever would, because, heck, I'm a sucker and would do anything to get my hands on quality GH content

To be honest, if GH was getting source books like FR did, I'd have a whole lot to complain about things being done poorly or "too mainstream", whereas with the Dragon Mag and Complete book treatment, I fawned over every GH passage like a hidden gem in a dragon's treasure.

It's food for thought. The DI may work really well to get and keep GH fans engaged, especially if WOTC employs the right "guest authors"...

 

[mmu1]

For what it's worth, at the Gencon RPGA Q&A session (which I followed peripherally as I was looking for the rat that stole my dice bag) people were asking endless variations on "well, why not have both LG and LFR", and after running out of PR platitudes about making things even better and taking things to the next level, the guy who (I think) was the WotC rep finally visibly lost his patience and said, point blank, "Because we want people to play 4th edition, and the 4th edition is Forgotten Realms."