Logic question with Vader/ Anikin (EP 3 spoiler)

[Trickstergod]

Granted, that's not a very solid theory... but neither is the pure "train-to-be-a-ghost" theory (IMHO). Another aspect of Star Wars that seems slightly wrong...

Well, it's quite clear in A New Hope that Obi-Wan is deliberately stopping to do his disappearing trick. He looks to be purposely concentrating on becoming a force ghost for when Vader strikes him down, rather than allowing Vader the opportunity to kill him when he's not concentrating.

So some training doesn't seem out of the question. Even if it's "Before death, clear your mind, relax, calm your emotions."

 

[shilsen]

My theory: Lucas wanted Vader/Anakin to show up, so he did. Just like Shakespeare wanted Antigonus to sail to Bohemia in A Winter's Tale, and so he did, even though Bohemia doesn't even have a coast. No biggie.

You guys are funny when you over-analyze stuff

 

[Trickstergod]

My theory: Lucas wanted Vader/Anakin to show up, so he did. Just like Shakespeare wanted Antigonus to sail to Bohemia in A Winter's Tale, and so he did, even though Bohemia doesn't even have a coast. No biggie.

You guys are funny when you over-analyze stuff

Well, I don't think anyone bothered questioning it until Revenge of the Sith decided to say that becoming a Force ghost is some kind of new, nifty trick.

And, for my part, I never really questioned it.

 

[Flyspeck23]

Well, it's quite clear in A New Hope that Obi-Wan is deliberately stopping to do his disappearing trick. He looks to be purposely concentrating on becoming a force ghost for when Vader strikes him down, rather than allowing Vader the opportunity to kill him when he's not concentrating.

So some training doesn't seem out of the question. Even if it's "Before death, clear your mind, relax, calm your emotions."

But Qui-Gon doesn't prepare to die the same way Obi-Wan does, yet Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he can contact his old master...

 

[Taelorn76]

What if this Force Ghost power is actually the prolonging life Darth Plagueis the wise had learned. And the reason he never tought his apprentice was becuase Siduis never had light side training. Also could explain why he was killed in his sleep when he could not concentrate and focus, to save his life.

 

[resistor]

Just as a side note, in Knights of the Old Republic, at least one Sith lord appears as a Force Ghost. When you're on Korriban and have to "earn prestige" to infiltrate the Sith academy, you have to option of retrieving some Sith master's sword from his tomb. While there, he appears to you as a Force Ghost and bemoans his folly in being a Sith.

Now, I don't think that counts as canon, but I'm sure it DID have to be approved by Lucas' licensing system.

 

[Welverin]

You're forgetting one thing about Anniken/Vader. The bionics was not the only thing keeping Vader alive. Half the job of keeping the body going was coming from the Dark Side from Vader's desire for revenge on the universe.

When Vader realized the compassion and love from his son, released the dark emotions filling him, and embraced the Light again, the knowledge he had learned of how to merge his life with the Force still existed. Since Anniken was no longer a slave to the destructive side of his nature, the Force was willing to embrace him in the ghostly state.

Something I like from an EU source is that while he used the darkside to keep him self going, if he had be able to release the negative emotions and used the lightside he could have effected a more permanent solution.

And I believe his death was due to getting zpped by some good old force lightning, after all it's never good when your skeleton gets lit up.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Just as a side note, in Knights of the Old Republic, at least one Sith lord appears as a Force Ghost. When you're on Korriban and have to "earn prestige" to infiltrate the Sith academy, you have to option of retrieving some Sith master's sword from his tomb. While there, he appears to you as a Force Ghost and bemoans his folly in being a Sith.

Now, I don't think that counts as canon, but I'm sure it DID have to be approved by Lucas' licensing system.

There's a difference between Sith Spirits and the normal Force Ghosts. Essentially, Sith Spirits are tied to a single place for eternity. Force Ghosts, on the other hand, become one with the Force while retaining their own individual identity, so are much more mobile and aren't stuck in one spot.

But, by the time of the movies, the whole Sith Spirit thing is long, long lost anyway.

 

[Welverin]

Now, I don't think that counts as canon, but I'm sure it DID have to be approved by Lucas' licensing system.

Which is completely different from George o.k. it, much less adopting.

I don't think George is even aware of 95% of the licensed crap out there. I'm pretty sure I saw a comment from him once that he didn't keep up with the novels. So while the EU stuff can be pretty entertaining it's completely worthless when discussing how things work in the SW universe as far as the movies are concerned.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Which is completely different from George o.k. it, much less adopting.

I don't think George is even aware of 95% of the licensed crap out there. I'm pretty sure I saw a comment from him once that he didn't keep up with the novels. So while the EU stuff can be pretty entertaining it's completely worthless when discussing how things work in the SW universe as far as the movies are concerned.

Agreed that it doesn't mean George gave the OK for it...but he's definitely seen it. The first appearance of a Sith Spirit in the comics was in the Tales of the Jedi comics...which its well known that Lucas loves, so he's read them, so he knows about the Sith Spirit idea.

Doesn't mean he uses that at all, of course, but he's definitely aware of it.