Logic question with Vader/ Anikin (EP 3 spoiler)

[KenM]

Ok, at the end of SITH, Yoda says Qui-gon has learned to live within the force and he would teach Obi-wan and Yoda how to do it. This explains how Yoda and Obi-wan appear as ghosts at the end of JEDI, but why would Anikin/ Vader be able to do that if he was not taught to "live within the force".? :\ He became a ghost as well.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

He's the Chosen One.

 

[KenM]

Chosen to murder Jedi children.

 

[Captain Tagon]

Chosen to murder Jedi children.

Clever.

No. He redeems himself in the end. Plus being such a powerful Jedi he's able to return in the ghost form.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Well, it happens...at least he kills Palpy in the end of it all. Its possible that, like Qui-Gon seems to have done, he simply 'earned' it. Note that only Yoda and Obi-Wan pulled off the disappearing body trick.

I really do wish that more of the Qui-Gon scenes were actually in Sith, though...even if we didn't get to see him, just the conversation he had with Yoda that was cut. Hopefully it'll be in the DVD.

But Anakin's disappearing can really only be explained because he 'earned' it or simply because he's the Chosen One. Same with Leia remembering her mother...her "real mother". The Force. Yes, its kind of a cheap answer...but its the right one and makes the most sense.

 

[KenM]

IMO Vader killing the Emperor (one person) does not make up for all the cold blooded killing he did in the Emperors name. Back on topic please. Sorry to hijack my own thread.

 

[KenM]

But Anakin's disappearing can really only be explained because he 'earned' it or simply because he's the Chosen One. Same with Leia remembering her mother...her "real mother". The Force. Yes, its kind of a cheap answer...but its the right one and makes the most sense.

In JEDI, Leia never accually says she remembers her mother:

LUKE: Do you remember your mother, your real mother?

LEIA: She died when I was very young.

LUKE: I don't remember my mother.

Thats all that was said about it.

Do we see Anakins body dissappear? We see Luke burn the suit, but its not made clear if the body was inside it. We see Anakin appear with Yoda and Obi-wan.

 

[Jdvn1]

No. He redeems himself in the end. Plus being such a powerful Jedi he's able to return in the ghost form.

Yep. What I was wonder was how come Qui-gon doesn't show up in ghost form?

 

[Welverin]

Well Qui-gon managed it on his own, no reason the allegedly more powerful in the force Anakin couldn't, especially with the lure of his son and some potential help from Yoda and Obi-wan. All told now it does seem rather odd, also begs the question of why Gui-gon didn't show up (is that explained in one of the books, simple yes or no please, no elaboration wanted).

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

In JEDI, Leia never accually says she remembers her mother:

She says more than just that. I'll highlight the key parts.

LUKE: Leia...do you remember your mother? You're real mother?

LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.

LUKE: What do you remember?

LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.

LUKE: Tell me.

LEIA: She was very beautiful. Kind but...sad. Why are you asking me this?

She could easily remember all that through the Force, even the description of her as 'very beautiful'. And Leia is NOT describing Bail Organa's wife. This was confirmed by Lucas himself in the RotJ commentary. Leia is remembering Padme.

Do we see Anakins body dissappear? We see Luke burn the suit, but its not made clear if the body was inside it. We see Anakin appear with Yoda and Obi-wan.

Its not clear in the movie, but again, this is where the commentary prevails. Lucas specifically says "This is where we see Luke burning Anakin's body."

Note he doesn't say 'armor'. Anakin does not disappear...meaning that this has nothing to do with appearing as a spirit. It would imply that the way Anakin(and Qui-Gon for the matter, since he didn't disappear either) achieved Spiritness was different than how Yoda/Obi-Wan did, since the two of them DID disappear.