Longtooth Shifter Regen

[Infiniti2000]

Irrelevant/fluff.

The difference between a ranged power and a personal power is irrelevant/fluff? How is that even possible that you could think that? We're so far off on this that the rest of your comments become meaningless.

 

[DracoSuave]

The difference between a ranged power and a personal power is irrelevant/fluff? How is that even possible that you could think that? We're so far off on this that the rest of your comments become meaningless.

When does the attack type of a power carry relevance to the duration of a power?

The answer is, nowhere.

 

[Nichwee]

I don't think Inifiniti2000 was saying the attack type of a power does have anything to do with its duration.

He was however pointing out that an arguement for durations being similar between two powers, that was based on the powers both being balanced does have to take into consideration all factors - including the range of the power.

Thus to say that the difference between Ranged/Self was irrelevent and then say "And if they have different durations they are unbalanced" is selling the balance value of a ranged power vs a personal power rather short.

 

[Cheesepie]

If only they followed Magic's lead and explicitly defined the meaning of the words "when", "whenever" and "while" in the rules.

 

[CovertOps]

Until the end of the encounter, you gain a +2 bonus to damage rolls. In addition, while you are bloodied, you gain regeneration 2...

In this case, the end condition for the effect is 'Until the end of the encounter.' 'In addition' implies that the effect after is a part of that first effect.

Then, looking at it, it says 'while you are bloodied' which is not an ending condition for an effect, but a condition for an effect's activation.

<Some condition>, you gain a +2 bonus to damage rolls. In addition, while you are bloodied, you gain regeneration 2...

The "In addition" part refers to no part of the previous sentence. It's a conjunction and it's only purpose is to say "as well as" or "on top of" or "also". The <some condition> is a modifier and puts some restriction onto the "you gain ...", but that is it.

Until the sun goes down, I will be mowing my lawn. In addition, I'll be eating dinner with my wife.

Is anyone trying to tell me that I'll be eating dinner with my wife until the sun goes down? If so that is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.

 

[Infiniti2000]

When does the attack type of a power carry relevance to the duration of a power?

The answer is, nowhere.

You must've missed the part where CovertOps said "...making it strictly superior to Melora's Tide in every way."

Note, every way.

So, how exactly does ranged vs. personal and feat vs. power count as irrelevant/fluff? His entire rebuttal is rendered dismissible as a result of this incongruous statement.

 

[CovertOps]

The difference between a ranged power and a personal power is irrelevant/fluff? How is that even possible that you could think that? We're so far off on this that the rest of your comments become meaningless.

To use an analogy...The only difference between between a Mace and a Short Bow is that one is melee and the other is ranged. I view that difference to be irrelevant/fluff. I feel this way because both are situationally useful and there are cases where I would want one and not the other. The same can be said about Melora's Tide and Longtooth Shifting. Both are situationally useful. They both have the range they have because of the fluff that goes with how they are used and the type of powers that they are (racial vs. channel divinity).

I'll keep this in mind for any future comments you have about anything...because now that you've shown that you can't understand just one of my comments...any of your future comments must therefore be meaningless.

 

[CovertOps]

You must've missed the part where CovertOps said "...making it strictly superior to Melora's Tide in every way."

Note, every way.

So, how exactly does ranged vs. personal and feat vs. power count as irrelevant/fluff? His entire rebuttal is rendered dismissible as a result of this incongruous statement.

How nice of you to leave part of my quote out so that you can misrepresent my position....

I have compared two encounter powers here and (based on the majorities reading) the effect of one of them is strictly superior in every way

Emphasis mine. Post 42 for the unedited original.

 

[KarinsDad]

To use an analogy...The only difference between between a Mace and a Short Bow is that one is melee and the other is ranged. I view that difference to be irrelevant/fluff. I feel this way because both are situationally useful and there are cases where I would want one and not the other. The same can be said about Melora's Tide and Longtooth Shifting. Both are situationally useful. They both have the range they have because of the fluff that goes with how they are used and the type of powers that they are (racial vs. channel divinity).

The difference between range and melee is larger than most people think.

That is why a sword is +3 to hit and a bow is +2 to hit.

But in this specific case, the ranged vs. personal aspect is more that the regen can be used "at range and on an ally". That is bigger both because it can be used on an ally, but also because it can be used at range. Two advantages, not one.

I'll keep this in mind for any future comments you have about anything...because now that you've shown that you can't understand just one of my comments...any of your future comments must therefore be meaningless.

Maybe it's not that he cannot understand you, but rather it might be what you posted. Are you sure that it was accurate?

I2K can sometimes be a pain in the butt with his comments, but he does tend to be logical, even when I disagree with him.

 

[CovertOps]

The difference between range and melee is larger than most people think.

That is why a sword is +3 to hit and a bow is +2 to hit.

I specifically chose a Mace to keep the +2/+3 part out of it so the only thing we were comparing was melee vs. ranged.

But in this specific case, the ranged vs. personal aspect is more that the regen can be used "at range and on an ally". That is bigger both because it can be used on an ally, but also because it can be used at range. Two advantages, not one.

And if we limit that power to those classes that have the Channel Divinity feature (ie Cleric and Paladin which are both leaders) then doesn't that sort of negate the fact that the ability is ranged and can be used on allies because that is what those classes are supposed to do? Heal at range?