Lord or Tyrant?

[Numion]

I do hope though that you also let PCs insult other powerful nobles without consequences, if they have the same justification as you grant the militia. If a militia member can call a cleric "b***" if she scolds them without cause, then PCs should be able to call the princess of the neighbouring realm "B***" if she scolds them without reason, and not suffer for it, but see the princess' rep go down as a reaction.

Call a woman a bitch, and if she's offended, her rep goes down .. yup, sounds like a fantasy world to me alright

 

[Elf Witch]

In my campaign, people simply do not call any woman of higher station "b***", not without grave and often deadly consequences. There is no justification for such a breech of ettiquette, and it's what starts bloodfeuds.

But then, I play in a feudal fantasy world, styled after our history, where commoners have less rights, and nobles defend their honor with weapons. Not everyone wants to play in such campaigns.

I do hope though that you also let PCs insult other powerful nobles without consequences, if they have the same justification as you grant the militia. If a militia member can call a cleric "b***" if she scolds them without cause, then PCs should be able to call the princess of the neighbouring realm "B***" if she scolds them without reason, and not suffer for it, but see the princess' rep go down as a reaction.

Personally this is where I think people are having a tad of overreaction. While I can see calling a cleric a B**** is not really a nice thing to do it can be understood. Because these people have been underattack for over what was it six months I would not think at this point most of the survivors would be in a good mental shape they would be burned out and on edge.

As for calling a Princess a bad name I think it really depends on the situation just walking in and calling her this name would not fly but let's say the pCs have been guarding a keep for six months that is under constant attack thye are tired and burned out and the princess goes and does something stupid that almost gets her killed I can see someone losing their temper and calling her a stupid b****.

This is not a one size fits all situation.So saying well now the PCs have carte blanche to go and call all higher ups names simply does not make sense.

 

[Fenes]

Personally this is where I think people are having a tad of overreaction. While I can see calling a cleric a B**** is not really a nice thing to do it can be understood. Because these people have been underattack for over what was it six months I would not think at this point most of the survivors would be in a good mental shape they would be burned out and on edge.

Oh, yes, I fully understand how the militia acts, and how they ended up at this point - I simply say that as understandable their actions are from my modern point of view, they'd still suffer serious consequences in my campaign since I see not many justifactions, if any, for such an insult, that the charaters involved, PCs and NPCs alike, in my campaign, would accept or even consider valid.

As for calling a Princess a bad name I think it really depends on the situation just walking in and calling her this name would not fly but let's say the pCs have been guarding a keep for six months that is under constant attack thye are tired and burned out and the princess goes and does something stupid that almost gets her killed I can see someone losing their temper and calling her a stupid b****.

This is not a one size fits all situation.So saying well now the PCs have carte blanche to go and call all higher ups names simply does not make sense.

I said when she scolds them for no reason - I meant that in the same circumstances, PCs can insult foreign princes and kings as they can be insulted by commoners.

 

[Numion]

Personally this is where I think people are having a tad of overreaction. While I can see calling a cleric a B**** is not really a nice thing to do it can be understood. Because these people have been underattack for over what was it six months I would not think at this point most of the survivors would be in a good mental shape they would be burned out and on edge.

Sure, they were under stress. But the PC didn't just wail on the guard:

My PC then tells him to show due respect to a lord and residing champion (my PC is a born aristocrat and self made lord on the fringes of civilisation) or face him in a duel.

Show respect, or face him in a duel. The guard still refuses to show respect, and chooses the duel. I'd say that's a strange decision for even a stressed out sword jockey. Why couldn't he just say, "Yeah, I'm sorry, I'll remember my place from now on." instead of "Bring on the duel, I'm not going to show respect."

 

[Fenes]

Show respect, or face him in a duel. The guard still refuses to show respect, and chooses the duel. I'd say that's a strange decision for even a stressed out sword jockey. Why couldn't he just say, "Yeah, I'm sorry, I'll remember my place from now on." instead of "Bring on the duel, I'm not going to show respect."

(slightly sarcastic): He was acting like a PC!

Seriously, this does remind me of countless threads complaining about PCs not respecting noble NPCs in very similar circumstances, just this time with the roles reversed.

 

[Madefromletters]

He may have said the like of "you stupid biatch we are doing our job, the last thing we need is some outsiders coming in and telling us to just piss off and go inside the keep and keep out of the way".

Well it seems that what sort of thing was said has been picked up instead of the actual situation. Sure it is once again my lack of real world experiance in medieval times.
As for her losing her rep. What rep. as i said she in just another rouge magic user.

My last word.
The guards here had been extremely hospitable to start with and had offered arms and armour, all manor of alchemical gear and access to all areas of the keep. So you cant say they are just being differicult. All they asked is that they are safe and the PCs, without saying it directly said they would save the day. So when they are treated like stooges over one little thing..... Good deeds are only as strong as the last actions performed. it will be forgotten in time and the good deeds will last longer but the issue remains for now.

 

[Zurai]

So when they are treated like stooges over one little thing..... Good deeds are only as strong as the last actions performed. it will be forgotten in time and the good deeds will last longer but the issue remains for now.

They were treated like stooges because they acted like stooges. They denied their lord's allies rightful access to their lord's castle for no reason whatsoever, leaving the allies stranded outside during a vampiric siege. They fired on one of their lord's allies, despite it being daylight, when any moron knows vampires cannot be active outside. Then they had to gall to insult the lord ally of their lord.

They deserved what was coming to them. If their lord had been there, they'd have been in MUCH more trouble than a nonlethal duel of honor.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

They were treated like stooges because they acted like stooges. They denied their lord's allies rightful access to their lord's castle for no reason whatsoever, leaving the allies stranded outside during a vampiric siege. They fired on one of their lord's allies, despite it being daylight, when any moron knows vampires cannot be active outside. Then they had to gall to insult the lord ally of their lord.

They deserved what was coming to them. If their lord had been there, they'd have been in MUCH more trouble than a nonlethal duel of honor.

You realize that you are trying to tell the DM what "really" happened in a game he was running, right? And getting it wrong. They didn't deny access, to point out your digression from both first person accounts. Telling a DM what default knowledge of "any moron" is in his gameworld is similarly unencouraging.

 

[GAAAHHH]

I'm glad I'm not a player in this game.

 

[Zurai]

They didn't deny access, to point out your digression from both first person accounts.

From the very first post in this thread:

The militiamen seem rather surly and disinclined to let us in through the gate.

They denied the party access. Yeah, they eventually granted access later (presumably; it's not stated directly, but it appears that at least some party members are inside at the time the cleric is fired upon), but they were initially denied access. You don't get the impression that your allies are disinclined to let you in if they say "Sure pal, here let me raise the portcullis for you!".