Lost: 11/1/06

[Taelorn76]

Can it be called incest when you are not related by blood? One's parent married the others parent. They were step siblings weren't they?

 

[S. Baldrick]

Did Eko's actor get caught for DUI also? I hadn't heard about that..

Banshee

Actually, I he was arrested for driving without a license and disobeying a police officer, not a DUI (which, in my opinion, is far more serious offense). See link for details:

http://starbulletin.com/2006/09/05/news/story01.html

He was cleared of charges when he proved that he did have a license.

 

[Arnwyn]

Huh. So that's what it's like to have my time wasted. I haven't felt that way since the X-Files, and the feeling is as unpleasant as I remembered it. I found this to be a pretty stinky episode. Eko dying was lame, and felt entirely arbitrary. He actions and words also didn't feel proper to the character as he was previously presented. What was the point of him? He and his backstory went nowhere. What a waste of time. (Though I do undersand if the actor wanted to do different things - but it still doesn't stop the results from sucking.)

Oh, and what's up with the red shirts talking? D)

Nice to see lots of the smoke monster, though. I did enjoy those sequences very much. Good stuff.

First off, I loved Eko, so that stunk. Eko was a great contrast to Locke and Jack, with regards to religion. Also, I wasn't too thrilled with his flashbacks... I felt Eko had a lot more story in him. Of course, from what I've heard it's because AAA wanted to move on to other projects (and yes, I knew ahead of time), so it wasn't really a writing thing. Except the fact that his flashbacks were pretty blah this episode. Still, he went out standing, so points for that.

Yeah. I agree with that.

2-While I agree that incest is morally wrong, both Boone-Shannon could just as easily be victims of it as perpetrators.

Is it still considered "incest" when they're step-siblings (ie. no blood relation)?

 

[Barak]

Well there's that too. But while it may change thinsg legally, morally it's still messed up (They -were- raised as siblings, right? I forgot)

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Is it still considered "incest" when they're step-siblings (ie. no blood relation)?

I would say so. The blood thing is what causes genetic problems but otherwise adopted children could moraly sleep together. As with Eko, the island does seem to consider morality fairly strictly as well.

Additionally there was lots of other lying, cheating and stealing going on with regards to the parents.

 

[occam]

And why did the writers go to all the trouble to have Locke dramatically rescue Eko only to have him go out like this?

Agreed, it seems like a waste of time. Unless the hunt for Eko was important for some other reason, but so far it doesn't really seem like it.

 

[Remus Lupin]

1)I was a little uncomfortable with Eko being declared as "EVIL" and a "BAD PERSON" while the other characters got off with a generic "murderer" label. Eko, like the rest of the characters on this show are a little more complex than that. The entire reason why Eko became what he became was to PROTECT HIS BROTHER. This is something a few of you seem more than willing to glaze over in lieu of just declaring him some kind of monster. Obviously, Sawyer, Kate and Sun dont get judged quite that harshly

I'm sorry, I didn't make my point as clearly as I intended. My point is that ALL of these characters will be revealed to be AS evil or MORE evil than Eko. What I'm saying is that they lure us into having sympathy with these characters, and then pull the rug out from under us by revealing them to be reprehensible.

As I said, I liked Eko, and I didn't like how filled in his back story and then gave him no more opportunities to let us know him. You're right, he initially protected his brother. Then he got him killed.

 

[occam]

I liked Eko too, in large part because he did seem to bring an element of religious complexity to the show. I think what disappointed me, though, was that the flashbacks revealed him to be, not simply morally flawed, but morally reprehensible!

1) He enlists his priest brother in a plot to smuggle herione (what does it say about Yemi that he agrees?).

IIRC, I don't think Eko gave him much of a choice. And Eko did claim he was doing it (at least partially) to get the drugs away from their own people.

2) He masquerades as a priest.

True, but at least earlier it seemed like he was trying to live up to the role.

3) When he finds out that the vaccines sell for a very high price on the black market, he tries to sell them preemptively, thus leaving the village at the mercy of the smugglers.

I disagree with your evaluation of his intent here. My impression was that Eko knew that information about the sale would get back to the smugglers, and he was using it as a tactic to lure them into attacking him.

4) He murders three men in the Church, and then abandons the village.

Yeah, well there is that.

 

[occam]

One thing that bugs me. If Ben knew that he had a spinal tumor before the Losties show up, why didn't he just walk up to the beach on the first day and ask Jack to perform surgery? Jack would have eagerly done that just for information about the island. Why go through all of the trouble of killing people, kidnapping babies, etc to "trick" Jack into doing it? He could have asked when he was captured and would have easily gotten Jack's cooperation in return for Walt (whom they let go anyway). I just don't see how the writers can resolve all these inconsistancies with any semblance of logic.

Yeah, that made no sense at all. As a doctor, and knowing his character, Jack would've felt ethically and morally obligated to help if they'd just asked. The question is whether this bogus motive is a sign of:

• The Others' continuing attempt to manipulate Jack with lies; or,
• Terrible writing.

I sure hope it's the first one.

 

[Barak]

Well, while the others seems to be just as well informed as us, or better, on researchable stuff (IE: He's a spinal surgeon), they do not have the magical ability of knowing their character like we do.

And before someone brings up Sawyer being a con-man, that is easily demonstrable through documented stuff.