Lost - 4/25/07 "D.O.C." (spoilers)

[satori01]

I always seem to find the Jin/Sun love story angle touching. Their marriage/relationship, though dramatic, (wrong side of the track + rich girl and all), has a spark of authenticity that is compelling to me.

Lost is a great drama, the sci-fi excepted, and I think a lot of people overlook that, or discount it. Besides how many American TV shows have a large portion of their dialoge in a subtitled foreign language.

I can see the others faking the "recovery" of flight 815...fits in with their unethical scientific bent. It would not necessarily be that hard, simply recover the black box, grab some wreckage and a corpse or two and put them in a sea lane for discovery.

I liked what Desmond said to Charlie. Charlie has always been a bit bloodthirsty when it comes to the Others, after his and Claire's experience. I also think it shows that Desmond does not truly think he is one of the Lostaways.

As for the Alt Universe, Quantum duplicate idea...I thought that at first when Desmond mis-Identified which team was going to win the Football Match....however it does seem operator error plays a large part in his interpretation of events.

 

[Arnwyn]

How the hell have the castaways not strangled Juliette by this point in order to get answers out of her?! Humans are curious creatures, and I don't buy that the entire slew of survivors all agree not to pester Juliette with questions night and day.

What's the monster?
How did you get here?
How many Others are there?
Tell us about all the locations on the island, like the hatches.
What's the statue with the four-toed foot?
Why did you kidnap people?
Why didn't you just tell us that Claire could be in danger, instead of abducting her?
What makes you think you can go around being criminals and thugs, treating us like cattle?
How do you know so much about us?
Where the BLEEP are we?!
If you like this island so much, and hate us, and you have a boat, why don't you just let us go?!

I am going to give this one big "ditto", because it needs to be said again, and it needs to be highlighted.

 

[Banshee16]

Interesting, but if that's the case then why didn't all of the flight 815 passengers survive the crash or have "echoes" on the island?

Unclear....what if it wasn't supposed to happen in the first place, and it just affected a few of them? Or maybe, given the island heals people, it brought back those in need of healing? Look how many of the survivors are either flawed individuals, or needed healing from something? Locke, Kate, Sawyer, etc. etc.

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

Something I don't get is that Julie mentioned that on the island, women who get pregnant always die. Yet on the island, men's sperm count dramatically increases.

Seems kind of counterproductive...

Banshee

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

Seems kind of counterproductive...

It also seems like entrapment. You're on a tropical island, all the drives are there, if you do it, she dies horribly...

 

[Dire Bare]

Well, maybe, but then tell me what the obvious, uncomplicated deal is with the woman's bombshell at the end of the episode that the wreckage of flight 815 had been found and that there were no survivors.

The simple, uncomplicated answer to that (it would seem to me) is that since we know that there are survivors, she's lying.

The problem with that, of course, is that she apparently crashed a helicopter and damned near killed herself just to tell that lie.

I suppose it's possible that the passenger and tail sections of the plane were recovered from the ocean...but that begs the question of why the cockpit section couldn't be located on the island.

Nah, I think things ARE complicated. There's way too much coincidence and weirdness going on on that island for things to be exactly what they seem.

No, the simple uncomplicated answer to our mysterious woman claiming Flight 815 wreckage was found is that someone with lots of influence in the outside world covered up the truth of the missing flight.

Or at least that's how I took it.

 

[Dire Bare]

The thing is, the multiple quantum universe theory is too convenient...it can be used to explain just about anything. It's the "deus ex machina" if explanations.

Quantum universes? Clones? Convenient theories?

Wow. This IS a sci fi show that is very complicated, full of twists and turns, and filled to the brim with wierd s**t, but . . .

I really think a lot of the fans are making things out to be WAAAAAAYYYY more complicated that needs be . . . or will be revealed . . .

The Heroes discussions are the same way.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[John Crichton]

What's the monster?
How did you get here?
How many Others are there?
Tell us about all the locations on the island, like the hatches.
What's the statue with the four-toed foot?
Why did you kidnap people?
Why didn't you just tell us that Claire could be in danger, instead of abducting her?
What makes you think you can go around being criminals and thugs, treating us like cattle?
How do you know so much about us?
Where the BLEEP are we?!
If you like this island so much, and hate us, and you have a boat, why don't you just let us go?!

All reasonable questions. But guest what, she's not telling you or anyone else for that matter. And that's the rub. Until the Lostaways show her that they can outwit/beat/defeat Ben or offer her something he can't, she's not gonna be nice and share. It's the way you would probably play it as well.

 

[John Crichton]

Quantum universes? Clones? Convenient theories?

Wow. This IS a sci fi show that is very complicated, full of twists and turns, and filled to the brim with wierd s**t, but . . .

I really think a lot of the fans are making things out to be WAAAAAAYYYY more complicated that needs be . . . or will be revealed . . .

The Heroes discussions are the same way.

Wow. Just wow.

Heheh. The thing that most people don't realize is that yes, it is a "high-concept" show with science fiction and mystery elements but at its heart it's a simple drama and very character driven. If it wasn't we wouldn't have all the flashbacks.

 

[Bront]

I suppose it's possible that the passenger and tail sections of the plane were recovered from the ocean...but that begs the question of why the cockpit section couldn't be located on the island.

Actualy, they found it in the first 4 episodes. The pilot was eaten by the smoke creature.