Lost - 4/25/07 "D.O.C." (spoilers)

[Demmero]

Juliet tells Sun not to worry if they do not hear the baby's heartbeat because it may just be to soon to hear it yet. When they do the ultrasound, there is a definite, strong heartbeat, implying the conception was not recent.Atavar

Yeah, I caught that too. It almost seemed like a throwaway line at the time, but I don't think that Lost has a lot of throwaway lines. Of course, I may be wrong

 

[Hand of Evil]

That leads me to believe that the woman (Naomi?) is either an Other or that Mikhael somehow knew that the helicopter was approaching the island.

Now, that is in line with the way the Others work, a fake comm/monitor center where nothing works, to hide the real comm/monitor center. I keep telling everyone, there is a freaking city somewhere on that island!

 

[Atavar]

Or how about this one? Since we seemed to see Mikhael die at the fence, why not assume that he really died?

The guy that showed up in last night's episode wasn't the same man. Maybe he was a clone.

A clone with a missing eye? Seems unlikely....

But that multiple quantum universe theory? It could explain Mikhael, too. We saw him die at the fence. The Mikhael from last night is a Mikhael from a quantum universe in which he survived and escaped from Sayid & Co. (TM).

The thing is, the multiple quantum universe theory is too convenient...it can be used to explain just about anything. It's the "deus ex machina" if explanations.

Later,

Atavar

 

[Hand of Evil]

A clone with a missing eye? Seems unlikely....

Atavar

who is saying it is missing? I have yet to see anyone look under the patch.

 

[Demmero]

who is saying it is missing? I have yet to see anyone look under the patch.

ROFL! I thought for a second that Jin was gonna yank that sucker off last night!

And isn't there a precedence somewhere (Naked Gun movie? Austin Powers movie? Weird Al video?) where someone yanks an eyepatch off a villain, we see a perfectly functional second eye, and the guy who pulled off the patch yells, "Ha! I KNEW it!"?

 

[Taelorn76]

Or how about this one? Since we seemed to see Mikhael die at the fence, why not assume that he really died?

The guy that showed up in last night's episode wasn't the same man. Maybe he was a clone. (I certainly wouldn't put human cloning outside the medical morals of the Others.)

And while I'm on the subject of Mikhael...he definitely was expecting to find only whomever ejected from the helicopter--he came charging through the jungle with none of the usual Others' stealth, lightly armed, and then turned and bolted when he saw the Lostaways. That leads me to believe that the woman (Naomi?) is either an Other or that Mikhael somehow knew that the helicopter was approaching the island.

He may have seen the beacon in the night sky as well. Then seen the flare and just be curious to what was coming to the island now. Maybe he thought it was a supply drop

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

I think yes, more Others have been killed than castaways.

DOn't forget Eko killed two when he was being dragged into the jungle, and Jack, Sawyer, Kate & Company killed at least one, maybe two on their way to the dock at the end of the second season, when Michael was leading them back to be captured.

Well if someone attacks you using force you don't apologize when you turn out to get the upper hand.

 

[Fast Learner]

Seems to me that Mikhael simply saw the flare Hurley shot off, and probably saw or heard some part of the helicopter crash or parachuting the night before. Easy peasy.

 

[RangerWickett]

Indeed. There are people who thought otherwise?

Other: "Sun, we know you. You won't kill me. That's not who you are."

Sun: "You don't know me." *BLAM!*

That, coupled with the beginning of the episode where young Sun let the glass ballerina fall and be shattered, and then lied about it, made it implicit to me that Sun was responsible for killing her lover. It would be something that the Others wouldn't know about, so they assumed she couldn't kill.

Plus, it makes me happy to know that the enigmatic, make-no-sense Others aren't in control of everything. I mean, damn, the Others even seem to control the bloody writers on the show. How the hell have the castaways not strangled Juliette by this point in order to get answers out of her?! Humans are curious creatures, and I don't buy that the entire slew of survivors all agree not to pester Juliette with questions night and day.

What's the monster?
How did you get here?
How many Others are there?
Tell us about all the locations on the island, like the hatches.
What's the statue with the four-toed foot?
Why did you kidnap people?
Why didn't you just tell us that Claire could be in danger, instead of abducting her?
What makes you think you can go around being criminals and thugs, treating us like cattle?
How do you know so much about us?
Where the BLEEP are we?!
If you like this island so much, and hate us, and you have a boat, why don't you just let us go?!

 

[LightPhoenix]

Is Desmond seriously trying to make a point in "The Hostiles" favor? His words, in the quotes.

Point aside, that was really a crappy bit of writing right there. It should have been coming from Juliet, or Sun, or even better from Jack. It felt like the writers decided they wanted to make that point, and shoehorned it into the episode.

Also, while the point may technically be true (though Scott, Shannon, Libby, and Ana can all be attributed indirectly to the Others), that completely disregards the psychological warfare used by the Others, as well as the kidnapping of the children.

Charlie has joined the ranks of the sane on the island it seems. His ranting and Jin's awesomeness were the highlights of the episode.

Otherwise, I wasn't blown away by the episode, but I wasn't upset (other than above). Generally middle of the road.