Lost - 4/25/07 "D.O.C." (spoilers)

[Demmero]

Yeah, but she also left the same info on the recorder for Ben. So unless she is lying to both of them for some reason... Why would she be lying to both Sun and Ben about the D.O.C.?

She might be lying to Ben because she's sick of being his puppet.

She might be lying to Sun to make Sun HER puppet (Sun's life is literally in Juliet's hands now).

 

[Demmero]

Let's do a head count...

Charlie killed Ethan
Anna Lucia killed Goodwin
Goodwin killed Nathan
Sun killed Pickett's Wife
Juliette killed Pickett - doesn't count, Other on Other action there...
Kate/Jack/Sawyer shot & killed a random Other at end of Season 2

Lostaways 4, Others 1

Am I missing anyone else? Did Ethan kill Steve?

Dude...Ethan killed Scott

Smoky killed Eko.
Shannon died due to Smoky/Others-related weirdness.

Also, Michael killed both Ana Lucia and Libby...sort of at the behest of the Others.
And the Others that took Walt firebombed the raft, leaving Michael, Sawyer, and Jin adrift in genetically-labeled, tiger shark-infested water. Not actually murder, but not far from it.

 

[RigaMortus2]

It felt like the truth. And if it is a lie, then it is the same one she told Benry. And the writers get to wring more drama out of Sun and the fetus's impending death than they could have if the Jin was not the father.

I concur. It seems like the Others tell true facts when (a) they are talking to each other or (b) no one else is around listening.

I am a self-proclaimed TV/Movie expert . It's very easy for me to predict things before they unfold (foreshadowing and all that). I have a good inclination at this point when the Others are and are not lying. There is no rhyme or reason to it, it's just a feeling (like you said, it felt like the truth).

I could, of course, be wrong. But if I were a betting man, I would bet that Juliette was not lying in this instance. Guess we'll see...

 

[Demmero]

Desmond had a point though....the survivors have killed more of the Others than the Others have killed survivors...

Banshee

Speaking of Desmond...exactly how did he get a pass from being considered an Other by the Lostaways? Did he pass Sayid's Other-detector test?

 

[RigaMortus2]

Dude...Ethan killed Scott

Smoky killed Eko.
Shannon died due to Smoky/Others-related weirdness.

Also, Michael killed both Ana Lucia and Libby...sort of at the behest of the Others.
And the Others that took Walt firebombed the raft, leaving Michael, Sawyer, and Jin adrift in genetically-labeled, tiger shark-infested water. Not actually murder, but not far from it.

Yeah, but none of these were durectly Other > Lostaway related deaths. The Ethan Scott/Steve thing really isn't confirmed (we didn't actually see him kill him, did we?).

I was going to include Michael, but he was not an Other. He was never originally with the Others. He shot Anna Lucia and Libby on his own. He had a choice, and he made the decision himself.

Mr. Friendly (or was it the guy next to him?) also shot Sawyer on the raft, but since he technically didn't kill him...

 

[RigaMortus2]

Speaking of Desmond...exactly how did he get a pass from being considered an Other by the Lostaways? Did he pass Sayid's Other-detector test?

Hmmm, that is an interesting point. And that would be an interesting twist. Of course, at this point, I think we (the audience) know too much about his past for him to turn out to be an Other. The other Lostaways however... Good point

 

[Demmero]

It felt like the truth. And if it is a lie, then it is the same one she told Benry. And the writers get to wring more drama out of Sun and the fetus's impending death than they could have if the Jin was not the father.

Several people have said that it felt like Juliet was telling the truth a couple of weeks back...right up until they cut to the scene with her scheming everything with Ben.

On a related note...does it feel to you that Danielle Rousseau is who she claims to be? It did to me until recently. But when people go off on their own in this show, they're usually hiding something: Paulo using the can in the second hatch, Juliet "covering tracks" in tonight's episode.... Rousseau went her own way twice recently--at Mikhael's station and then inside the Others' barracks.

I'm dying to find out exactly what she's been up to.

 

[Demmero]

Yeah, but none of these were durectly Other > Lostaway related deaths. The Ethan Scott/Steve thing really isn't confirmed (we didn't actually see him kill him, did we?).

Well, no, but Ethan did say that one Lostaway would die for each day Claire wasn't returned and then Scott ends up with a broken neck. If that wasn't Ethan or the Others, what was it--a really bad nightmare?

In addition, Ethan strung up Charlie and left him for dead. Jack (maybe with the island's mysterious healing powers giving an assist) semi-miraculously brought him back around.

So the scorecard's a bit closer than Desmond made it out to be. Him letting Mikhael go and then bringing up relative body counts sounded way too Otherish to me...he sounded a little like Ben, in fact.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

Several people have said that it felt like Juliet was telling the truth a couple of weeks back...

Again: And the writers get to wring more drama out of Sun and the fetus's impending death than they could have if the Jin was not the father.

 

[Demmero]

Again: And the writers get to wring more drama out of Sun and the fetus's impending death than they could have if the Jin was not the father.

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Is it a given that Sun will die within the next few episodes? Is the actress who plays her leaving the show?

Because there's plenty of potential drama either way with the fatherhood issue...and there's plenty of drama whether Juliet was telling Sun the truth or lying to her.