Lost - 4/25/07 "D.O.C." (spoilers)

[IcedEarth81]

Sun is probably the only one on the show that truly gets it besides Sayid. She understands the others are the enemy. She capped Pickett's woman early in the season, not buying into the "we're not your enemies" line. She asked the questions we've been wanting someone on the show to ask, "why are you taking babies/children?" I thought, finally somebody asked that. They need to be asking Juliette all kinds of questions.

I've got to say, this season is so much better than last season. It's night and day. They have been on the ball lately.

About the 815 wreckage being found, I definately think Dharma set that up. That way there will be nobody looking for them, and thus no chance of the island being found. Eye-patch showing up was a little unexpected, but by now we should be questioning everything we see or hear from the others. Trickery is what they are all about.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Well, maybe, but then tell me what the obvious, uncomplicated deal is with the woman's bombshell at the end of the episode that the wreckage of flight 815 had been found and that there were no survivors.

The simple, uncomplicated answer to that (it would seem to me) is that since we know that there are survivors, she's lying.

The problem with that, of course, is that she apparently crashed a helicopter and damned near killed herself just to tell that lie.

I suppose it's possible that the passenger and tail sections of the plane were recovered from the ocean...but that begs the question of why the cockpit section couldn't be located on the island.

Nah, I think things ARE complicated. There's way too much coincidence and weirdness going on on that island for things to be exactly what they seem.

Simple answer; The Others are so high powered that they have governments backing them. This is not that far off, as we already know Mikhael was ex-KGB, Syhid's handler was CIA, that at one time there was a US radio station (Hugo's numbers) on the island. You also have the amount of information on the background of the castaways. that much power, you have a search team find a plane underwater, 200o feet deep, a 1000 miles away. Have some ships circle the area, drivers go down, some dark fuzzy pictures and it is done.

What this MAY mean. Walt and Micheal did not make it back! oops.

 

[Arnwyn]

That was a pretty decent episode, and one of the best in a while (though Juliet still sucks). I really liked how forceful Sun was (almost a "just tell me what's going on, dammit!" attitude) - pretty cool, and a hearty "Yay, Sun!" from me.

Mikhael just faked his death. Nothing more nothing less.

Probably... but I sure wish I could foam at the mouth at will like that... :\

Actually, that was pretty obvious from the show to me. I never doubted he killed himself. Strikes me as odd that you could think something else.

Indeed. There are people who thought otherwise?

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

There are people who thought otherwise?

Well, I had thought there was some scene with Sun and whatsisface on the balcony and as a result of that confrontation he fell off the balcony. I never thought he just jumped after getting knocked around by Jin.

And I think Sun will die next season.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Probably... but I sure wish I could foam at the mouth at will like that... :\

Take a piece of Alka-Seltzer and put it in your mouth but the fence could have caused only an epileptic seizure, it is only temp but...

 

[Demmero]

You were saying the reason he is alive is because the others can skip around in time. And I say the easier explanation is that he faked it. That's two seperate things Mikhael faking his death at the fence has nothing to do with this woman. (BTW She was Vanessa on Vegas), at least on the surface.

No, I did not say that--I merely threw the idea out there as a "what if" possibility. But your "easier" explanation that Mikhael faked his own death isn't easy by a long shot. Tell me, how did Mikhael manage to fake frothing at the mouth and bleeding from his ear if he had his hands tied behind his back? Kinda hard to slip some sort of capsule in your mouth or maybe slide a razor across your scalp with your hands tied behind your back.

I'm guessing that you meant that Mikhael knew there'd be a reaction when he passed through the electronic barrier and that it'd hurt but he'd ultimately survive. But even this explanation is far from simple. When he got zapped, Mikhael was thrown a decent ways into the barracks side of the fence. What was to keep Sayid or one of the others from examining him to make sure he was dead? Who's to say that they didn't examine him, and we just weren't shown that on the show?

I guess what I'm saying is that a fence that zaps people to the point that they look dead but that also depends upon other people not examining the zapped victim is complicated--not simple--and doesn't seem like such a great security system IMO.

 

[Atavar]

A couple of things....

One, a theory I hadn't read about until now (at least not explained this way) is that the island is a rift between different quantum universes. We are seeing a universe in which there were flight 815 sirvivors. The parachute lady, hired by Penny to find Desmond, crosses the rift while getting to the island, and the rift she crossed is from a quantum universe in which there truly were no flight 815 survivors. Desmond's flashes of the future are actually flashes of alternate universes in which events transpire differently.

Two, a mini-theory of my own. Juliet tells Sun not to worry if they do not hear the baby's heartbeat because it may just be to soon to hear it yet. When they do the ultrasound, there is a definite, strong heartbeat, implying the conception was not recent.

Thus, my Theory: The baby was conceived off of the island. Juliet tells Sun it was conceived on the island so that Sun will let Juliet "treat" her, although Juliet will only be pretending. She says the same lie on the tape recorder for Benry because she wants him to think she is treating an island-conceived baby, and when Sun comes to term and lives due to Juliet's fake treatment, Benry will think the baby problem is solved, have no further need of Juliet, and let her off of the island.

As an aside, Hurley's the best at one-word lines. "Oops." "What?"

Later,

Atavar

 

[Sir Brennen]

I think that perhaps Mikhael was just "mostly dead" from the sonic fence, not "Dead dead", and the island healed him.

Sun and Jin both had me cheering for them this episode. Especially when Mikhael first turned around to run off into the jungle, Jin's "Why are you standing there?" look at Charlie and Des, then tearing off after Mikhael. I also liked the confirmation of my own speculation months ago that the island healed Jin's infertility problem.

Juliette is still a sympathetic "caught-in-the-middle" character to me. While she had ulterior motives to getting info on Sun's pregnancy, I believe she really meant it when she talked about wishing she could give good news for a change. And the "I hate you" directed at Ben after she turned the tape recorder off was a nice touch.

And Sun's character getting killed off soon since we know about her pregnancy? With two months to live, that's like two more entire seasons the way this show moves along

 

[Sir Brennen]

Two, a mini-theory of my own. Juliet tells Sun not to worry if they do not hear the baby's heartbeat because it may just be to soon to hear it yet. When they do the ultrasound, there is a definite, strong heartbeat, implying the conception was not recent.

Thus, my Theory: The baby was conceived off of the island. [...]

My own thoughts were that perhaps the island accelerates pregnancies in a manner related to it's healing properties, and this somehow causes the mother's deaths.

 

[Demmero]

Or how about this one? Since we seemed to see Mikhael die at the fence, why not assume that he really died?

The guy that showed up in last night's episode wasn't the same man. Maybe he was a clone. (I certainly wouldn't put human cloning outside the medical morals of the Others.)

And while I'm on the subject of Mikhael...he definitely was expecting to find only whomever ejected from the helicopter--he came charging through the jungle with none of the usual Others' stealth, lightly armed, and then turned and bolted when he saw the Lostaways. That leads me to believe that the woman (Naomi?) is either an Other or that Mikhael somehow knew that the helicopter was approaching the island.