Lost (5/17 SPOILERS!!!)

[Hand of Evil]

But Jack, Sawyer and Kate are equally isolated from everyone else. Jack leads occaisionally but for the most part he is the doctor. He has been just as likely to wander off with delusions or hide out in the hatch. Sawyer on the other hand is the complete opposite of a leader. After all his lying, stealing, hoarding and the gun incident who in thier right mind would follow (oh wait, these are the moronic lostaways). Kate has never really demonstated leadership either, she just seems to want to tag along with her "boyfriends". No I still haven't come up with any grouping that fits these 4.

the other castaways look to them as the leaders, if something needs to be done, they are the ones that the other castaways go to. Hugo is sort of middle management or union boss, he is in between. Sawyer is office supply, you don't like asking for stuff but you have to and he is questions actions. Kate is a lot like Hugo. Locke and Eko are not really trusted and seem to go their own way, and I think can be made to see the 'path' the others follow. Sayhid mostly defers to Jack but he follows orders and has been show to be flexable in the path of greater good (this may be known from back story).

If looked at as a business model, you replace management and your workers continue to do what they do. If it was one of those personality/management test, I think you would see that those four score high, being red and blues, if I remember the colors right.

 

[Taelorn76]

They didn't really show us a whole lot of their reaction to the boat, considering that it appeared in the last two minutes (or less) of show time. You sound as if you expect them to be immediately reacting in a rational and calculating manner, based on all manner of clues that we, the audience, possess, but that they may not possess, or at least not in equal amounts. These are castaways, who have been stranded at sea for over a month and a half, and have been subject to all kinds of difficulties (including the burial of two of their number right then). I don't think most people would have the sort of immediate reaction you suggest, much less people under their circumstances.

Maybe we'll see a little more of what is actually going on in their heads next week, when the series resumes?

Your right I think it was less than one minute left when they showed the boat. I believe that the Lostaways we just in shock from the funeral and and then a seeing a boat. Also, unless I missded the scene in a previous episode, most of them had no idea that they had captured an other. So to find out that they had been holding an other for over a week and that he escaped and killed two of their friends is a lot to take in.
In next weeks previews:
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They show people jumping into the water to get to the boat.
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[RangerWickett]

It's really entertaining to see gamers 'roleplaying' in stressful situations. Stranded on an island for two months, you see a boat approaching. What do you do?

"It's obviously a trick! None of us saw the boat before just now - what's up with that? Don't touch the boat, it might be diseased! Quick, let us construct a complex truss-like device to anchor the boat thirty feet out from shore, and then the professor will stitch together a Hazmat suit from coconuts and old vinyl records, so that . . . let's see, who has come closest to resolving their personal issues. Charlie, you still a heroin addict?"

"No."

"Okay, Charlie, here, put on this haz-mat suit. And if you see a black flying carpet composed of electrostatic iron filings, let us know, okay?"

 

[shaylon]

Locke did get up and walk away for some mysterious reason. It seemed to be because of the funeral, but maybe he did see the boat. He's not exactly forthcoming with information.

This is something I hadn't considered. That would be interesting if he saw the boat and didn't say anything about it.

 

[Arnwyn]

BTW, I forget- did Rousseau find out from Claire that her daughter is alive?)

IIRC, the answer is "kind of". At the end of that episode, when they were talking, neither knew what the other was really talking about, but enough hints came out that Rousseau now suspects that her daughter is alive and with the Others.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

It's already out. See my post in that thread...

What are you talking about? Season two is over and episodes from season three will not be aired until the fall. I can't even find a listing for a DVD set for season 2.5 (or 2.0 Vol. 2) anywhere. And where is the thread you are talking about?

Charlie, having beaten his demons and found resolution, can die now.

Why do people have to die once they issues they have been struggling with are resolved? Why can they not simply go on to being a productive member of society, albeit a member who have a troubled past?

It seems to be an almost shockingly dark philosophy to say that once someone has overcome an issue, his or her reward for overcoming it is to die, to fly down and to become another gibbering ghost and so much rotting meat, to paraphrase Virgil.

This seems to part of the same sadistic philosophy that says life is only about the journey and only about the struggle. That way if someone works hard at something – like getting home from being trapped, or overcoming a personal problem – there is never a reward. They are just kept in a tight loop, running in circle, until hurting them becomes difficult, at which point you kill them, like any other cow to the slaughter.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Why do people have to die once they issues they have been struggling with are resolved? Why can they not simply go on to being a productive member of society, albeit a member who have a troubled past?

It seems to be an almost shockingly dark philosophy to say that once someone has overcome an issue, his or her reward for overcoming it is to die, to fly down and to become another gibbering ghost and so much rotting meat, to paraphrase Virgil.

This seems to part of the same sadistic philosophy that says life is only about the journey and only about the struggle. That way if someone works hard at something ? like getting home from being trapped, or overcoming a personal problem ? there is never a reward. They are just kept in a tight loop, running in circle, until hurting them becomes difficult, at which point you kill them, like any other cow to the slaughter.

That is someting you need to talk to the producers about. Its not that we neccesarily subscribe to that philosophy but on on Lost it seems to very much be what happens.

 

[KaosDevice]

But Jack, Sawyer and Kate are equally isolated from everyone else. Jack leads occaisionally but for the most part he is the doctor. He has been just as likely to wander off with delusions or hide out in the hatch. Sawyer on the other hand is the complete opposite of a leader. After all his lying, stealing, hoarding and the gun incident who in thier right mind would follow (oh wait, these are the moronic lostaways). Kate has never really demonstated leadership either, she just seems to want to tag along with her "boyfriends". No I still haven't come up with any grouping that fits these 4.

But for what-ever reason they seem to be the ones with all the power. Jack with medicine, Sawyer with his control of the gear (etc.), Hurley with the food and info and general cheer and Kate with her influence on everyone else. I still think if I wanted to completely destabilize the Lostaways those are the four I would take out one way or another.

 

[KaosDevice]

"Okay, Charlie, here, put on this haz-mat suit. And if you see a black flying carpet composed of electrostatic iron filings, let us know, okay?"

"I fire at the boat! No wait, I set fire TO the boat!!"

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

This seems to part of the same sadistic philosophy that says life is only about the journey and only about the struggle.

Or, alternately, they have something like 50 characters on the island and the ones that don't have compelling storylines, they want to take off stage to provide room for those that do have stories in them.

They could probably keep them around, just off at the edge of the screen, but 1) they periodically need to reinforce the danger of the situation and killing someone who's "done" lets them do this without removing the more compelling storylines from play (for the most part; see Libby for an example of how this isn't always true) and 2) people would keep asking to see Shannon, Ana Lucia and Charlie, which would eventually clutter things up with "done" characters.

I don't think there's a sinister agenda here on Lost, just them trying to manage a fairly rough story structure they've set out for themselves.