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LOST: The Final Season (Spoilers)

Janx

Hero
i'm a firm believer in "the ending is how you interpret it yourself, so the ending may be different for different people..." Having said that ...



Not that you would have any way of knowing it from the context of the episode, ABC released a statement that the end scene of the plane sitting there was not part of the episode narrative, but rather something ABC/network had put in order to allow viewers to 'decompress' from the events that just unfolded before jumping to the next show/news/late show/etc.

Link to story here:
ABC clarifies that everyone on LOST was NOT dead the whole show | SCI FI Wire


That helps. Given how many people came to similar conclusions, the episode could have been more clear on that.

This summary from the replies on the article was pretty succinct:

"Jack's conversation with his dad at the end pretty much explained the whole "dead" thing. Everyone dies. They just don't die at the same time. Hurley and Ben may have been guardians of the island for a 1,000 years. Kate, Sawyer, Richard, Claire, etc. may have led full, rich lives after escaping the island. The church was just the focal point for drawing all of their spirits back to the same place and time so they could move on together."


Since there was a lot of wierd stuff happening, Christian's quote didn't have to mean that he was referring to actual life, so much as "existing in any plane".

The real problem was that unlike the first escape from the island, the show ended before it locked in the reality. Seeing the plane land with Richard on it, or similar Oceanic 6 reaction would have helped lock that in that it really happened.
 

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jaerdaph

#UkraineStrong

Oh for Pete's sake, ABC. :erm:

Why in the world would they choose to show plane wreckage washed up on the shore and no survivors as transition to evening news, when they could have just FADED TO BLACK like television over the years has always done? I'm not even convinced that's what it really was either.

I love when network executives think they're writers....

So Lost ends with the equivalent of a "wardrobe malfunction". Great. :(
 

stonegod

Spawn of Khyber/LEB Judge
Janx said:
The real problem was that unlike the first escape from the island, the show ended before it locked in the reality. Seeing the plane land with Richard on it, or similar Oceanic 6 reaction would have helped lock that in that it really happened.
True, but the last bit was Jack's story and showing that at the time would have broken up that dramatic moment. Maybe a mention in the sideways (like they did with Hurley/Ben's afterstory) would have worked.
 

John Crichton

First Post
It's called paying attention to detail.

And people will be discussing these things for years to come.

Much like fans of Star Trek do.
Doesn't make it any less nit picky. And I'd say the same thing about folks who bring up ultra minor stuff from any medium. ;)

I don't recal off the top of my head what the "horse thing" being referred to is, but even so I don't understand your incredulity. Abrahms asserted often that this show wasn't like the X-Files, that they weren't just scrambling to make things up as they went along, and that the island wasn't merely some magical fantasy island. In other words, you can't just say "a wizard did it".

So yeah, people want to know what all the random out-of-place stuff appearing was about. It's not totally unsreasonable.
Not saying it's unreasonable. I'm surprised that will all the things that were actually addressed or even partially addressed and given real screen time that anyone would care about the horse thing.
 

John Crichton

First Post
Oh for Pete's sake, ABC. :erm:

Why in the world would they choose to show plane wreckage washed up on the shore and no survivors as transition to evening news, when they could have just FADED TO BLACK like television over the years has always done? I'm not even convinced that's what it really was either.

I love when network executives think they're writers....

So Lost ends with the equivalent of a "wardrobe malfunction". Great. :(
I just thought the crash scenes were shots of set pieces to wrap things up over the credits. I could see how it could have been confusing to some folks.
 

Janx

Hero
I just thought the crash scenes were shots of set pieces to wrap things up over the credits. I could see how it could have been confusing to some folks.

I think a better term is misleading. I wasn't confused, I was mislead into thinking they all died on impact.

confusion is a state where the confused doesn't understand and knows it.

thats a whole different animal than presenting something in such a way that I come away with a different interpretation than intended.
 

John Crichton

First Post
I think a better term is misleading. I wasn't confused, I was mislead into thinking they all died on impact.

confusion is a state where the confused doesn't understand and knows it.

thats a whole different animal than presenting something in such a way that I come away with a different interpretation than intended.
I'm gonna stick with what I said. ;)
 

jaerdaph

#UkraineStrong
I just thought the crash scenes were shots of set pieces to wrap things up over the credits. I could see how it could have been confusing to some folks.

Definitely - considering the sheer chaos on the beach in the first episode after Flight 815 crashed. Showing a wrecked plane and luggage washing up on shore but no survivors is a powerful contrasting image.

Maybe somebody did screw up with that choice of final imagery, maybe they're backpedaling. Who knows. :erm:
 

coyote6

Adventurer
I just thought the crash scenes were shots of set pieces to wrap things up over the credits. I could see how it could have been confusing to some folks.

See, I thought the shots were just showing all the wreckage slowly washing away, now that all the plane's survivors (that wanted to leave) are gone or not-so-surviving.

People come, people die, people live, people go; the island and the sea go on regardless. Footprints in the sand, and all that.

That, or it was showing the actual beach after they wrapped production, and the props were getting washed away. Litterbugs, the lot of 'em -- Bad Robot!
;)
 

Starman

Adventurer
Interesting. Supposedly a Bad Robot employee has come out with some answers/explanations.

Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
 

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