LOTR from a gamer's perspective

[Agemegos]

Tolkien's world is beautiful but it's done.

Yep. LotR is not just a story in the setting, it is the story of the setting.

"Ring down the curtain!…"

 

[Agemegos]

No, what I was saying that the Elves never got any word about how they were just leaving, abandoning the world.

That's because the ones you got to talk to weren't going anywhere. You can't razz Elrond or Galadriel for running out, when they weren't running out.

 

[William drake]

That's because the ones you got to talk to weren't going anywhere. You can't razz Elrond or Galadriel for running out, when they weren't running out.

Yes they were, Elrond kept talking about how they were leaving these shores...what's that, sounds like runing to me.

 

[Agemegos]

Yes they were, Elrond kept talking about how they were leaving these shores...what's that, sounds like runing to me.

Did he leave? Not until the job was done.

Did Galadriel leave? Not until the job was done.

Did Glorfindel leave? No, he even got killed and walked back from the Afterlife.

So you can't call Elrond a quitter—nor Galadriel, nor Legolas, nor even that stuffed shirt Celeborn, and most especially not Glorfindel—because they were devoting their all to fighting the good fight.

 

[hong]

Yes they were, Elrond kept talking about how they were leaving these shores...what's that, sounds like runing to me.

There is no way that you can say the elves were running. I have seen The Two Towers several times, and I can personally vouch that they sent a big army of elves to the battle of Helm's Deep, where one of them even got killed. Please check your facts before posting nonsense to bulletin boards, as I always do.

 

[Slife]

There is no way that you can say the elves were running. I have seen The Two Towers several times, and I can personally vouch that they sent a big army of elves to the battle of Helm's Deep, where one of them even got killed. Please check your facts before posting nonsense to bulletin boards, as I always do.

I'm confused... do you always check, or always post nonsense to bulletin boards?

 

[Crust]

What he's afraid of is that someone with "stature" will use it against him. If it had ever crossed his mind that anyone would try to destroy the most powerful and valuable object in existence he would have put at least a locked door on the Sammath Naur.

I respectfully disagree. Sauron was hoping that someone would try to use the ring against him, which would be folly. No one can use the ring against Sauron. To do so would spark the wielder's descent into darkness, making that wielder (whether it be Denethor, Aragorn, Gandalf, Galadriel, Smaug, whoever) the pawn of Sauron.

And he was probably right. Frodo, the 'best Hobbit in the Shire', sent by the Valar to destroy the Ring with pity and humility and courage-without-pride, can't quite manage to do it.

Interesting. I suppose since it's Gandalf pushing Frodo out the door, in that regard the Valar have decreed that Frodo is the one.

I also disagree with the idea that the elves were "running away" from the problem in Middle-earth. In fact, it was Galadriel herself who left Valinor in order to fight evil in Middle-earth, when she could have simply stayed in Valinor and lived in peace and tranquility.

Further, it's clear that the Age of Men (the 4th Age... OUR age) was upon them, and their time had come. The world was changing, and the elves weren't. It was time for them to leave and pass the torch to Men. Elves like Galadriel and Elrond were the guardians of Middle-earth (along with Istari like Gandalf, of course), and when their job was finished (the undoing of Sauron and the ring... the last vestiges of Melkor), they departed Middle-earth and left it in the capable hands of Men (specifically Aragorn, whose bloodline contained both elf and maiar ancestry).

As for the eagles helping with the ring, I can make a number of assumptions concerning that:

1. Gwaihir refuses to come without pecking distance of the ring.

2. Manwe would rather not have his eagles corrupted, and thus decrees that they may not come within pecking distance of the ring.

3. I could even see Gwaihir (or some other eagle) swooping down onto Orodruin, only to succumb to the ring's power and peck Frodo to death and fly off with the ring.

 

[iwatt]

I'm confused... do you always check, or always post nonsense to bulletin boards?

Both

 

[Rykion]

*the giant eagle discussion reminds me of something I read about the making of Star Trek (orriginal series). The teleporter was introduced as a method of transportation simply because they couldn't make shuttle landings look good and they wanted to actually show the crew arriving on the surface of any given planet. So, teleporter. But once they had it, every single episode had to be contorted to say why they couldn't just beam out this week. If you have to, you can make it so the eagles wouldn't work, just like they made it so the teleporters wouldn't work, and for the same reason - so there will be a story. But it doesn't change the fact that both are really powerful and potentially plot destroying ideas that show what happens when falible humans attempt to create an entertaining reality.

The funny thing is the transporter probelms continued into all the other Trek series. Even though by the Next Gen each shuttle has its own transporter system. "Uh, sir, the transporters are down and we've conveniently forgotten about the shuttles ability to fly and their transporters. I say we blow someone out an airlock to get to the enemy ship."

That said, I don't think Middle Earth is as quantifiable as Star Trek. We don't know the giant eagles' full abilities and weaknesses. We also don't know Sauron's and the armies of Mordor's full abilities and weaknesses.

 

[Prince of Happiness]

That said, I don't think Middle Earth is as quantifiable as Star Trek. We don't know the giant eagles' full abilities and weaknesses. We also don't know Sauron's and the armies of Mordor's full abilities and weaknesses.

What would Gwaihiir do if he got the ring? Tyranny from Above!!!1111ONE