lycanthrope vs lycanthrope

[bertman4]

Question: If a were-boar is fighting a were-wolf, what happens during combat? Specifically, do each creature have DR10/silver? Or do they somehow bypass and do full damage against each other because they are both lycanthropes?

Bertman

 

[Nail]

No, neither would bypass DR 10/silver (without manufactured silver weapons, obviously). If their natural attacks would bypass a given DR, this is called out in the monster description text.

 

[Sejs]

Yup, what Nail said.


The fight would take a very, very long time. Lots of Power Attacking and such.

 

[Nail]

There's a free adventure out there that has, as it's final, climactic battle, the PCs interupting a fight between a pack of werewolves and a werewolf lord. The monsters were unmodifed from their entries in the MM (3.5e).

The PCs were supposed to see this scene:

"In the clearing, a horrible battle is raging. Five
large, muscular wolves are circling and attacking a
massive half-man half-wolf creature. The wolves
dash in and bite at their opponent, who in turn
slashes at their hides with his wicked claws. All
the combatants are bloodied, but the hybrid creature
seems to be in much better shape than any of
the wolves."

You can see why I (as a player => meta-gaming, I admit! ) was a bit thrown off. ...How were the werewolves able to damage the werewolf lord? Their attacks can only do 1d6+3, and they don't have power attack. The encounter is supposed to start for the PCs with the hybrid werewolf lord at half hit points.

Oops!

 

[billd91]

There's a free adventure out there that has, as it's final, climactic battle, the PCs interupting a fight between a pack of werewolves and a werewolf lord. The monsters were unmodifed from their entries in the MM (3.5e).

The PCs were supposed to see this scene:
You can see why I (as a player => meta-gaming, I admit! ) was a bit thrown off. ...How were the werewolves able to damage the werewolf lord? Their attacks can only do 1d6+3, and they don't have power attack. The encounter is supposed to start for the PCs with the hybrid werewolf lord at half hit points.

Oops!

Critical hits could damage the werewolf lord if he has DR 10/silver. A regular werewolf's critical damage would be 2d6+6. Of course, you'd hate to have to rely on that. I think whoever was writing that up was probably assuming that any creature with DR #/silver could affect something else with DR #/silver normally.

 

[Darklone]

Yeah. Aligned or DR/magic monsters natural weapons always overcome that DR... but not for werewolves. I guess it's an oversight.

 

[Dingleberry]

I don't play 3.5, but in 3.0, the MM and MM2 descriptions of Damage Reduction say "For purposes of harming other creatures with damage reduction, a creature's own natural weapons count as the type that overcomes its own innate damage reduction" - which would seem to apply to lycanthropes with DR X/silver. Was that removed from 3.5?

 

[Klaus]

Material-based DR (cold iron, silver, adamantine) never confers the ability to bypass said DR. Case in point: Warforged Charger (MM3) has DR -/adamantine. Even so, it needs the SQ "Adamantine Fists", which says its fists act like adamantine weapons for purpose of bypassing DR.

As stated in the MM Glossary:
- A creature with an alignment subtype can bypass DR based on that alignment. A devil is [Evil] so its natural weapons count as evil for DR purposes.
- The natural attacks of a creature with DR -/magic count as magic weapons for DR purposes.
And that is all.

So werebeasts would have to resort to criticals, Power Attacks and Improved Natural Attack to bypass other werebeasts' DR.