Because I believe in personal autonomy and consent. YMMV.
M.A.R. Barker, author of Tekumel, also author of Neo-Nazi book?
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Because I believe in personal autonomy and consent. YMMV.
Sepulchrave II
Legend
It's complicated.
Around half of all marriages are arranged.
Arranged marriage is not synonymous with forced marriage. In India, 93% of marriages are arranged; only 6% are forced.
I understand the complications; however, I was asked the question and I answered. Without getting political, I will reiterate that-
1. I agree with you that arranged marriages are far more common than many people realize; and
2. I believe that arranged marriages vitiate consent and violate personal autonomy; I would further state that arranged marriages tend to be be a product of patriarchal societies that value certain things I do not appreciate, that arranged marriages privilege cisgender relationships over the preferences of individuals, and that arranged marriages tend to reify certain power structures within a family unit that might correlate strongly to violence (while also not allowing appropriate escape routes).
But again, my opinion only. YMMV.
MGibster
Legend
First your hatred of Bards and now this? You monster!
Sepulchrave II
Legend
Unfortunately, many things do; being raised Southern Baptist, having your genitals mutilated as an infant, forcibly being sent to military school. All tragic. All the product of culture.
I don't disagree. But the modern Western expectation of marriage is a relatively recent phenomenon. And arguably more deluded.
Hussar
Legend
Yes, I agree. I'm really sorry for derailing this. It was never my intent and I stepped on a bit of a rhetorical landmine there and very much did not help to defuse things. My total bad.
Fifth Element
Legend
Yes, those also violate consent and autonomy. Did anyone suggest arranged marriage was the only thing to do so?
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None of them do. But, “I stood up to a tyrant’s agents” “everyone should be free to pursue his or her livelihood” or “ I fight for those who cannot fight for themselves” are just a few traits of a revolutionary, yeah? You’re talking about ends, ends will be player specific but there’s dozens of options for a revolutionary inclined PC, so many that I think it’s a standard option. In my game I have to tamp down these ambitions cause I’m not prepared to run such a game in the current campaign, “I just dunno what happens if you try to kill Dagult Neverember but please just don’t cause I don’t have the time to figure that out.”
I’m working toward providing options for that behavior in our next campaign now that I know what they want to be doing though.
it’s all player specific. I’m just of the suspicion that there’s lots of players who would like to be the heros that remake their fantasy world into a workers paradise…or some variation on that.
Hussar
Legend
But, think about what you're saying here - all these ends and goals mean that the initial setup is never a "worker's paradise". The settings are never anything other than imperialistic, despotic tyrannies. Which we completely lampshade.
I mean, stop and think about the set up of Waterdeep. The Masked Lords? Anonymous rulers chosen in secret by other secret lords ruling the largest city state in the Sword Coast? It's a nightmare. It works because it's fantasy and we accept it because it sounds kinda cool. But, yikes, imagine an actual city state ruled like that.
We all do it. I do and so do you. It's the same reason people like to play Grand Theft Auto despite the horrific implications. Or, heck, I LOVE 4x games. I'm currently diving back into Stellaris. Loving the heck out of it.
DOesn't change the fact that what I'm doing is horrific though when you stop and think about it. That big old fourth X - Exterminate - isn't there for the heck of it.
