haakon1 said:So who doesn't like 4e? Is it bad because they're taking away our books and dice and making us play on computers?
Or because they're trying to sell the same stuff all over again, for the 4th time. That would be the Malibu Stacey answer, from a Simpson's episode about the owners of said toy brand sticking it to loyal consumers like Smithers by churning out lousy repetitive merchandise to the fawning masses who buy anything new as long as it says "Malibu Stacey" on it.
Perhaps, like Lisa, I should see what Malibu Stacey's original creator is doing, and check out C&C? :\
Or is there really nothing to be grumpy about? That seems unlikely.
And what about 25th level spells? (as revealed by some WotC official)Tetsubo said:I've invested too much into 3.5 books to buy them all over again. I also don't like the DI model. In addition what art I have seen from 4E has really turned me off. Weapons illustrations that are even MORE unrealistic then 3.x... which I thought was impossible to achieve...
You haven't realized that those 25th level spells are just what previous editions would call 9th level spells? It seems obvious to me that they're planning to do exactly what Monte Cook pushed for during the development of 3E: Caster level = maximum spell level. So instead of having 0-9th, you'd have 1-20th. The higher end spells of each level in the 0-9th scheme would get bumped up, spreading the old 10 spell levels across 20 character levels, and ending newbie confusion of the "If my Wizard is 3rd level, why can't I cast fireball?" variety.Turanil said:The more I read about 4e, the more I am disgusted. 4e is really becoming not D&D but Dragon-Ball-Z...Yep, according to one of the R&D guys GenCon blog on the WOTC site, wizards will be casting 25th level spells in 4E. That was his "little secret" he was allowed to tell at GenCon.
EvilPheemy said:If it were really based on Dragonball Z, entire game sessions would be filled with random screaming, and progressively impressive hairstyles!
Turanil said:I strongly suspect they are aiming this new edition at the 12-14 year old customer base. And I remember what it was playing DnD at that age of uber-munchkinery... I have found the post below extremely funny, and probably describing very well what 4e is going to be...
3rd Eye said:DM: And in the center of the screen...
That's your job as DM, man. OD&D/1E didn't have backstory either.Stereofm said:...no backstory...
Gluh. If they gave me free reprints of the paper versions if mine got worn into nothingness due to use, then yes. Bring back paper magazines. As it stands, we'll be getting about 3 or 4 times as much content for the cost of one subscription. Plus all the added tools. Beyond that, the pdfs will be available except in the event of a catastrophic Internets collapse.Stereofm said:I'll consider about possibly changing my mind when they bring back a PAPER edition of DRAGON and DUNGEON.
amethal said:... online Dragon #? and an online Dungeon #151 as part of the DI...
Because I figured that was the assumed conclusion. About two days after the announcement that Dungeon's/Dragon's rights were going back to WotC instead of Paizo, they announced the Digital Initiative which specifically stated that it would have lots of similar content to the print mags.amethal said:...same magazines, just no longer in print format. So why, in the name of Pelor, couldn't they have said that at the start?
Kae'Yoss said:Unless 4e requires of to have most of our sessions consist of internal monologue and endless sense motive and knowledge checks to completely analyse the enemy, with actual combat only every 3 months or so, 4e is not like Dragonball
Thurbane said:Does that make 3.5 Lisa Lionheart?
LOL - I laughed when I read the title. Funny, and relevant.
I agree. The editing is so appalling it sometimes seems like they're being cruel on purpose. It's a huge barrier to getting into the game.mhensley said:It still doesn't change the fact that I have 3 different versions of C&C sitting on my shelf right now. ... C&C players can't complain about all the money D&D players spend on new editions when they themselves have to buy the same thing at least 3 times in as many years to get a playable version of the game.
cignus_pfaccari said:DBZ had combat every single episode!