Malibu Stacey has a new hat!

[I'm A Banana]

Watch out, dude -- she's lying about being 18. I think she's 13 or so.

I think you forgot what an 18 year old looks like, old man....rrrowl.

 

[Tetsubo]

So who doesn't like 4e? Is it bad because they're taking away our books and dice and making us play on computers?

Or because they're trying to sell the same stuff all over again, for the 4th time. That would be the Malibu Stacey answer, from a Simpson's episode about the owners of said toy brand sticking it to loyal consumers like Smithers by churning out lousy repetitive merchandise to the fawning masses who buy anything new as long as it says "Malibu Stacey" on it.

Perhaps, like Lisa, I should see what Malibu Stacey's original creator is doing, and check out C&C? :\

Or is there really nothing to be grumpy about? That seems unlikely.

Well, in my case I did check out C&C and really, really didn't like it. In fact I almost immediately sold it off to purchase more 3.5 books.

I've invested too much into 3.5 books to buy them all over again. I also don't like the DI model. In addition what art I have seen from 4E has really turned me off. Weapons illustrations that are even MORE unrealistic then 3.x... which I thought was impossible to achieve...

 

[Turanil]

I've invested too much into 3.5 books to buy them all over again. I also don't like the DI model. In addition what art I have seen from 4E has really turned me off. Weapons illustrations that are even MORE unrealistic then 3.x... which I thought was impossible to achieve...

And what about 25th level spells? (as revealed by some WotC official)

 

[haakon1]

4e is really becoming not D&D but Dragon-Ball-Z...

What in the worlds is Dragon Ball Z? Anime cartoon, I think?

 

[EvilPheemy]

If it were really based on Dragonball Z, entire game sessions would be filled with random screaming, and progressively impressive hairstyles!

DM: 4-Kou it is your initiative
4-Kou: I power up to Prestige Power level 2! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
DM; 4-Han what are you doing?
4-Han: I also power up to Prestige Power level 2! HYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
DM; 4-Boo powers up to Prestige Power level 10! RROAAAAAAAAAAAA!
4-Kou: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
4-Han: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
DM: OOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
4-Kou: AAAAAH!
4-Han: AAAAAH!
DM: OOOAAAH!
4-Kou: AAH!
4-Han: AAH!
DM: OAH!
DM: Look at the time, we'll have to finish the fight next week.
4-Kou: Cool! Great game tonight, see you Friday!
4-Han: I can't wait!

 

[GreatLemur]

What's to be grumpy about? From where I'm sitting, it looks like they're giving me a bunch of stuff I've wanted for a long time. I cannot imagine a mindset that can just be satisfied with how things are, and react with annoyance when something better is offered.

 

[Thurbane]

Does that make 3.5 Lisa Lionheart?

LOL - I laughed when I read the title. Funny, and relevant.

 

[GreatLemur]

Yep, according to one of the R&D guys GenCon blog on the WOTC site, wizards will be casting 25th level spells in 4E. That was his "little secret" he was allowed to tell at GenCon.

The more I read about 4e, the more I am disgusted. 4e is really becoming not D&D but Dragon-Ball-Z...

You haven't realized that those 25th level spells are just what previous editions would call 9th level spells? It seems obvious to me that they're planning to do exactly what Monte Cook pushed for during the development of 3E: Caster level = maximum spell level. So instead of having 0-9th, you'd have 1-20th. The higher end spells of each level in the 0-9th scheme would get bumped up, spreading the old 10 spell levels across 20 character levels, and ending newbie confusion of the "If my Wizard is 3rd level, why can't I cast fireball?" variety.

Seeing as the new level scale goes from 1-30, I'm guessing that 25th-level spells aren't as absurdly powerful as you're thinking they are.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

If it were really based on Dragonball Z, entire game sessions would be filled with random screaming, and progressively impressive hairstyles!

Unless 4e requires of to have most of our sessions consist of internal monologue and endless sense motive and knowledge checks to completely analyse the enemy, with actual combat only every 3 months or so, 4e is not like Dragonball

 

[occam]

I strongly suspect they are aiming this new edition at the 12-14 year old customer base. And I remember what it was playing DnD at that age of uber-munchkinery... I have found the post below extremely funny, and probably describing very well what 4e is going to be...

I think this might be the funniest part of that whole thing:

DM: And in the center of the screen...

 

[occam]

I remember when some WotC official stated "There will be NO 4th edition!".

I don't remember that. Who was it that said that, and when?

 

[theredrobedwizard]

...no backstory...

That's your job as DM, man. OD&D/1E didn't have backstory either.

I'll consider about possibly changing my mind when they bring back a PAPER edition of DRAGON and DUNGEON.

Gluh. If they gave me free reprints of the paper versions if mine got worn into nothingness due to use, then yes. Bring back paper magazines. As it stands, we'll be getting about 3 or 4 times as much content for the cost of one subscription. Plus all the added tools. Beyond that, the pdfs will be available except in the event of a catastrophic Internets collapse.

Plus, there's this thing called a Printer attached to most computers. If you really want a print copy, push the dang Print button.

... online Dragon #? and an online Dungeon #151 as part of the DI...

...same magazines, just no longer in print format. So why, in the name of Pelor, couldn't they have said that at the start?

Because I figured that was the assumed conclusion. About two days after the announcement that Dungeon's/Dragon's rights were going back to WotC instead of Paizo, they announced the Digital Initiative which specifically stated that it would have lots of similar content to the print mags.

So where did you get the idea that it wouldn't have the same content, except not in a print form?

-TRRW

 

[HeyJoe]

To be honest, the D&DI Tabletop is the only thing that interests me about 4e. It seems like it might be the solution for those of us who no longer are able to get together in the traditional sense for a D&D session.

 

[carmachu]

The problem isnt whether its good or not. Or whether its a different hat, so to speak.

The question is is it worth making the jump from 3.5 to 4th. Its also compounded by a good deal of 3rd party products out there. Right now.....we're playing in Ptolus. The DM, at the moment, has flat out said he and we arent making the jump to 4th. I cant blame him. I wouldnt either at the moment. I have a good deal of great non-WotC prouducts, some I havent gotten to use yet.....(like City of Brass), and I would like to try them out.....

Does that make sense? There's alot of good stuff out there that might not make the change over...and I want to use it.

I will most likely, buy the core 3 books. But I can honestly say I will not be jumping ship to 4th. I will continue, as long as I can find a group and players, to 3.5

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Unless 4e requires of to have most of our sessions consist of internal monologue and endless sense motive and knowledge checks to completely analyse the enemy, with actual combat only every 3 months or so, 4e is not like Dragonball

Bah, that's baseless slander!

DBZ had combat every single episode!

It was just the same fight for three months straight.

Brad

 

[haakon1]

Does that make 3.5 Lisa Lionheart?

LOL - I laughed when I read the title. Funny, and relevant.

I guess Castles & Crusades is Lisa Lionheart.

Glad you got the reference. A friend told me his theory of overlapping sets of nerddom, so I figured significant numbers of D&Ders would get a random Simpson's reference.

 

[theredrobedwizard]

It was just the same fight for three months straight.

Hey, just like 3.5 [rimshot].

-TRRW

 

[Hairfoot]

It still doesn't change the fact that I have 3 different versions of C&C sitting on my shelf right now. ... C&C players can't complain about all the money D&D players spend on new editions when they themselves have to buy the same thing at least 3 times in as many years to get a playable version of the game.

I agree. The editing is so appalling it sometimes seems like they're being cruel on purpose. It's a huge barrier to getting into the game.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

DBZ had combat every single episode!

I'm pretty sure I saw one or two episodes without combat. Back when a friend tried to convert me, I agreed to try it out. I saw that whole episode, and it consisted of two guys standing somewhere, and the "action" consisted of internal monologue. I think towards the end of the episode after that, the fight started.