Matrix Revolutions SPOILER filled discussion [and my review]

[mojo1701]

2. The true hero is the Oracle. She did something to Neo that caused him to create Smith. This then created a large enough threat for the Machine World that only a human could stop. This allowed a true peace to happen.

Yes, this is true. Also, it was the Oracle that prophesized the return of the One, so that's how they knew to search.

3. This really changes nothing. The Machines obviously cannot fix the scorched sky. The addition of Zion helping won't change that so the Matrix as a power source for the machines will still be needed.

Yes and No. Remember, that anyone who wishes, will be freed. And also, we don't know that. Humans have more creativity than AIs.

4. Best acting job in the entire series was definately Agent Smith. 2nd place goes to Bane being Agent Smith.

No beef there.

6. No matter how well she did piloting the Hammer, Niobe is no Han Solo.

Of course not. It wasn't an asteroid field. But, Han also had Chewie.

 

[Welverin]

Of course not. It wasn't an asteroid field. But, Han also had Chewie.

And Morpheus is no Chewbacca!

 

[Kai Lord]

6. No matter how well she did piloting the Hammer, Niobe is no Han Solo.

Of course not. But she makes a fine poor man's Lando.

 

[Kai Lord]

So, if you and I have the same conclusion [on how Smith was destroyed], what does that mean? Does it mean that our version is most likely the correct interpretation? Or we just so happen to be two guys that have the same incorrect interpretation?

No, we're just two guys who happened to both pay attention to what was shown on screen.

I still think [Revolutions] is the weakest of the three films. There wasn't enough drama or emotion to feel like a climatic ending to a trilogy. Dialogue was still bad and the ending was still very uninteresting artistically. Odd, considering the style of the whole trilogy is the visual style. That being so, the visual style of the ending scenes were the most boring and un-artistic.

For me Reloaded was the weakest of the trilogy by far. I have NO interest in watching a God-like Neo engage in pointless fight he can't lose after pointless fight he can't lose. After I heard they were doing sequels to the first Matrix what I hoped to see was the Matrix Neo have an all out showdown with a super powerful "Anti-Neo" while the Zion Neo and the rest of the unplugged fought a real-world war of almost insurmountable odds. I got that with Revolutions.

Its funny because I had assumed the Anti-Neo would have been another human who developed powers of The One to use for his own ends, but I really like the angle they took with giving Smith that role. The strikes against Revolutions are the weak first 25 minutes, the less than stellar epilogue, and characters that I just am simply not attached to on the level of Han, Luke, Leia, or the cast of the LOTR films. And I fault Reloaded for really initiating that detachment.

Regardless, I found Revolutions to be a hell of a good time, and I got chills watching both the Zion fight and especially Neo's showdown with Smith. And I see real genius in how they set up the last chapter.

The name of the series is "The Matrix" so you expect the finale to take place there, but how do you orchestrate that when its all virtual and really only the revelation of the real issue which is all the humans in the pods. But with Smith they gave a credible reason the Machines would be forced to adjust their actions in the real world based on the outcome of the showdown in the Matrix. Brilliant, and exquisitely played out. The bookend was weak, alas, but they delivered where it counted.

 

[RangerWickett]

The bookend was weak, alas, but they delivered where it counted.

Yes, they made sure people thought it'd be cool enough to pay for. I imagine that a better ending would've been for the Wachowski's to show up on screen in person, wallowing in a room covered with cash. They'd have Keanu Reeves in the background trying to quote Shakespeare in a faux-artsy homage to those stereotyped weird black and white German films, and they'd taunt us that now that we've spent our money, there's no getting it back. Matrix-y special effects would cause more and more money to fill the room, accompanied with a greenish glow and backwards katakana, and their laughter would climax into maniacal fits.

Then, after a moment of complete silence, Keanu would turn around and face the camera, and say, "This was the best Decemberween ever."

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Of course not. But she makes a fine poor man's Lando.

I was responding to statements she has made that she was cast as the Han Solo of the Matrix. I found them to be arrogant and inaccurate. She had only one quality and it was the least of Han's qualities which was being a pilot. She had no presence, personality, cockiness, all of the things that made Han be Han.

 

[Kesh]

I was responding to statements she has made that she was cast as the Han Solo of the Matrix. I found them to be arrogant and inaccurate. She had only one quality and it was the least of Han's qualities which was being a pilot. She had no presence, personality, cockiness, all of the things that made Han be Han.

Personality was a bit lacking, yes. Most of the rest ended up in the Enter the Matrix game. She got some good scenes in there. (Though the guy playing Sparks was the best actor in that game.)

Personally, I hope they do an extended Director's Cut of Reloaded with the EtM cutscenes spliced in. It helps fill out the story and gives Ghost, Niobe and Sparks an actual purpose to the plot.

 

[Ashrem Bayle]

Yep.

I thought for sure they would say at least SOMETHING about the fact that Ghost and Trinity are brother and sister.

Loved the scenes they had together in Enter the Matrix.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Here's my comments after seeing the movie tonight. Copied from the rating poll.

Perhaps it's just rage but I gave it a 1.

Spoilers.





1. The suits of armor were open. Why? These were not standard civilian gear being used to fight, oh I don't know, Aliens at the last second were they? Lame.

2. Trinity's death, as others have said, way too long and way too boring.

3. What happened to the fighting sequences? The first one and second one had some great scenes but this third one, outside of the fight between Neo and Smith, were boring. No bullet time really, no sense of motion. Just lots of bullets flying. Some one else's thing, not mine.

4. The ending with the Oracle and the Architech. Whole thing sucked. Where was Neo? Is this going to be like Kane from Kung Fu where he wanders the land helping man and machine get along? "That crazy human was on my faming land and I demand his death!" "No my brother, we must all serve stupid sunglasses."

5. The whole fight with Smith. Why is is that Neo is still using his fists? I mean wasn't one of the biggest things in the first movie that once Neo starts thinking he won't have to use his fists?

6. The whole French Club and Tran scenes could've, nay, should've been cut. They really didn't add a thing to the movie outside of stupidity, nudity, and bad French accents. I mean, why didn't Neo just drag Smith to the trainstation and have the train guy kick his butt? "Yeah, you're the bomb in the Matrix but here, it's the train bum!"

7. One main character dies and everyone else goes about on their merry way. Doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice. Heck, after the death scene, Neo didn't even seem to notice or anything. No touching speech as to why he was fighting, no bravo, no nothing really.

8. I could go on, but I thought the movie was the weakest of the three. The only good thing was that it showed me, given the proper budget and enough rain and shadows, a Dragonball Z movie could actulaly have a pretty good fight scene (which was proven to a lesser degree in Superman II)

 

[Henry]

I enjoyed some of it, but it was not that fulfilling to me; to be honest, I'd rather they stopped at the first film, because the second two drug it out to what was to me an unsatisfying conclusion.

Someone pointed out that everyone may want to be freed; the fact is, everyone will NOT want to be freed, due to human nature of desire for safety and security. Take note of any thread on any message board that asks whether a person would like to leave their home and family for a life od adventure; 90% of people usually pick their families and their generally good lives over uncertainty and the unknown. In the world of the Matrix, most people have food, shelter, clothing, and a "normal" life unbothered by the computers or the humans. If you are jacked out, you are in a world of uncertainty, famine, and danger.

The majority of people wouldn't want to know it wasn't real, and if told, WOULDN'T CARE. I honestly don't know if I could make that choice, myself!

"Henry, your world is a lie. The real world is a post-apocalyptic wasteland, where we fight for survival. If you choose to leave your wife, kids, job, and family behind, and enter the real world, you will live a life of boundless possibilities - but possible death. But you will be free. What do you choose?"

"CHOOSE?!@? You call that a CHOICE!?!?! No thanks, I've got a D&D game next Saturday, and my wife and I were going out tomorrow night. Can we talk about this after Christmas?"